Exceptional Scoring Reduction ?

[golfsaint]

Whats this all about ? have been playing golf since the end of Aug 11 , and my handicap seems to be flying down , its good i am not moaning ,BUT it only seems like mine is moving and the other players are going down by 0.1 or 0.5 ?
this week was playing another comp on the Sunday only to be told half way round the course that my handicap has been cut by a another 3.
Nov to Dec cut from 24-17 (clause 23??)
then in march was cut to 16 , followed in the last few weeks from 16-12-10.6-10
then on the course as i said from 10 to 7.6!
is this a cut too far ?? as i only managed to get 31points with a NR .
Has anybody else had this type off cut ?

 

[Val]

Whats this all about ? have been playing golf since the end of Aug 11 , and my handicap seems to be flying down , its good i am not moaning ,BUT it only seems like mine is moving and the other players are going down by 0.1 or 0.5 ?
this week was playing another comp on the Sunday only to be told half way round the course that my handicap has been cut by a another 3.
Nov to Dec cut from 24-17 (clause 23??)
then in march was cut to 16 , followed in the last few weeks from 16-12-10.6-10
then on the course as i said from 10 to 7.6!
is this a cut too far ?? as i only managed to get 31points with a NR .
Has anybody else had this type off cut ?

Seems a lot, maybe you should post what your typical comp scores are

 

[louise_a]

you are presumeably scored well under CSS in every competition.

 

[Whee]

I'd pay good money for results like that. Aug 11 - 28 to single figures in May 12.

Stuff dreams are made of pal, keep it going.

 

[AllyLodge]

I had an esr last week. You must be one quick learner to go from 24 to 7.6 in the space of 8 months !

 

[rosecott]

Whats this all about ? have been playing golf since the end of Aug 11 , and my handicap seems to be flying down , its good i am not moaning ,BUT it only seems like mine is moving and the other players are going down by 0.1 or 0.5 ?
this week was playing another comp on the Sunday only to be told half way round the course that my handicap has been cut by a another 3.
Nov to Dec cut from 24-17 (clause 23??)
then in march was cut to 16 , followed in the last few weeks from 16-12-10.6-10
then on the course as i said from 10 to 7.6!
is this a cut too far ?? as i only managed to get 31points with a NR .
Has anybody else had this type off cut ?

Only Cat 1s go down 0.1 at a time and only Cat 5s (ladies) go down 0.5 at a time.

You say you only started playing golf last August and you've had numerous cuts bringing you down to 7.6 - had you no playing/handicap history before that? Clubs are entitled to re-examine initial handicap awards in the light of results following allocation. You are entitled to see your handicap record which should have a stated reason for every reduction which was not as the result of any routine reduction from performance in a qualifier.
I, for one, would be very interested to see a copy of your handicap record. Tell us more about your scores in qualifiers.

 

[RichardC]

You must have cleaned up in the comps to come down that quick.

If your playing near that mark then it's probably valid and well done.

 

[BTatHome]

I always thought non-comp cuts were whole figures, so 10.7 to 8.7 etc

Exceptional playing to get cut from such a high start, some of it must be coming from comp results and then from what you said a couple of exceptional play cuts. I have never seen anyone get such huge exceptional cuts after each comp though....and certainly to get one during a comp is not on !

 

[wull]

I always thought non-comp cuts were whole figures, so 10.7 to 8.7 etc

i'm pretty sure that is the case...

 

[rosecott]

I always thought non-comp cuts were whole figures, so 10.7 to 8.7 etc

Exceptional playing to get cut from such a high start, some of it must be coming from comp results and then from what you said a couple of exceptional play cuts. I have never seen anyone get such huge exceptional cuts after each comp though....and certainly to get one during a comp is not on !

General Play reductions are a minimum of 1.0 but can be fractions after that e.g. 1.5, 2.4 etc..

 

[Achilles]

That does seem like a big drop but if you've been posting well below css in your qualifiers then that might explain it. I had an esr at the start of April which was 1 full shot, and I guy I know had a stormer last weekend which resulted in a 2.4 shot reduction followed by a subsequent esr of 2 shots. 4.2 shots slashed after one comp...so it can happen. Like rosecott said above, without seeing your comp results, it's hard to say if your h/c drop is justified.

 

[Birchy]

Is there such a thing as an exeptional scoring increase? I could do with that after the way i chopped it around on Saturday!

Anyway back on thread. A young lad at our course got cut 4.5 shots from 10 to 5.5 after getting 50 points in a stableford competition so you can get a big slash if you have a great round.

 

[duncan mackie]

I guy I know had a stormer last weekend which resulted in a 2.4 shot reduction followed by a subsequent esr of 2 shots. 4.2 shots slashed after one comp..

whilst the ESR would have kicked in after the comp, it's important to recognise that it is only triggered after 2 or more scores of significantly better than CSS in close proximity.

for those outside Scotland (apparently) the ESR formulae effectively picks up people who's capability is assesed, from Q scores, to be progressing faster than 'normal'/expected and provides an additional reduction over and above the basic formulae.

to the OP, congratulations - fantastic achievments; how low can you go? Which club do you play at?

 

[duncan mackie]

Anyway back on thread. A young lad at our course got cut 4.5 shots from 10 to 5.5 after getting 50 points in a stableford competition so you can get a big slash if you have a great round.

As referenced above, such a cut should not be based on a single round - whatever the score. This applies as much to general play assessment (which is exactly that and not single round achievement), annual review or any formulae driven approach such as ESR

 

[Mike_j_golf]

Hi,
For 2012 there is a new exceptional scoring reduction, if you score 40 points or more within 10 rounds of one another it triggers an additional cut there is a complicated formula for calculating the cut thing 3 40 plus point rounds within 10 rounds may explain the huge cut you have had.
Mike

 

[rosecott]

Hi,
For 2012 there is a new exceptional scoring reduction, if you score 40 points or more within 10 rounds of one another it triggers an additional cut there is a complicated formula for calculating the cut thing 3 40 plus point rounds within 10 rounds may explain the huge cut you have had.
Mike

It's not based on 40 points, it's based on nett differential of -4 or better. 40 points would only apply where par is equal to SSS/CSS and that is certainly not a universal situation.

To have a 3 stroke ESR reduction, you would have to have returned a nett differential of -10 twice in 4 qualifying rounds

 

[Birchy]

As referenced above, such a cut should not be based on a single round - whatever the score. This applies as much to general play assessment (which is exactly that and not single round achievement), annual review or any formulae driven approach such as ESR

This lad is young and improving a lot so as you mention it was probably off the back of a few good scores but his 50 points must of broke the camels back so to speak

 

[RGDave]

Has anybody else had this type off cut ?

No. Never seen anything like this either. Your scores in comps must be off the scale (good).

If your scores have justified this, then well done. If not, and you don't think you can play to 7.4 after coming down from 24 in only 6 months (most of which have been unplayable) then you need to find out what's been going on.

 

[Kellfire]

I was threatened with an exceptional cut after finishing one better than the CSS on Sunday. Didn't happen though.

 

[rosecott]

I was threatened with an exceptional cut after finishing one better than the CSS on Sunday. Didn't happen though.

I don't know who threatened you but he doesn't know what he's talking about. ESRs are based on scores of -4 nett differentials not -1.