Exceptional Scoring Reduction ?

[chris661]

Question on a slight thread creep Rosecott, can you still have general play cuts or are they done away with now?

 

[Kellfire]

I don't know who threatened you but he doesn't know what he's talking about. ESRs are based on scores of -4 nett differentials not -1.

It wasn't based on just one round, it was due to me being cut 2.4, then 0.7 and then 0.3 so the suggestion is that my cuts aren't keeping pace with my ability but I think the fact they've tapered off shows they have!

 

[BTatHome]

A couple of recent posts from the OP suggests this game is pretty easy for some learners

well as there could be a few today i thought i would mention my score my PB
Played the monthly medal and scored gross 56 , playing off 16hc.

overall 4 over the best ive done ! , playing again tomorrow hopefully the same but doubt it .

Not a bad round , it was 5 over ;(
6 over on the front nine , as i had two bad holes within the first three holes(need to warm up quicker)
1 under on the back nine
the club are now going to mount the ball i used and present it too me , bonus it was a new ball out the box for the round & not a crappy one.
a Callaway Black Hex tour (great ball)

 

[Birchy]

Gross 56?

 

[golfsaint]

Heres the scores


6 May 12 31 pts (08)22 +0.1 7.7
4 May 12 Exceptional Scoring Reduction-0 -2.0 7.6
4 May 12 41 pts (11)1Overall Winner -1.0 9.6
22 Apr 43 pts (12)1Division 1 Winner -1.4 10.6
9 Apr 12 15 pts (06)18 0.0 12
28 Mar 12 Clause 23 Adjustment-0 -4.0 12.
25 Mar 12 75 - 16 = 591Division 2 Winner 0.0 16.0
25 Mar 12 70 - 16 = 541Division 1 Winner0.0 16.0
18 Mar 12 31 pts (12)11 0.0 16.0
Mar 12 34 pts (26)13 0.0 16.0
26 Feb 12 l83 - 16 = 6716 0.0 16.0
19 Feb 12 33 pts (12)9 0.0 16.0
22 Jan 12 39 pts (12)1Overall Winner0.0 16.0
22 Jan 12 Clause 23 Adjustment-0 -1.0 16.0
15 Jan 12 36 pts (13)2Overall Runner-Up0.0 17.0
8 Jan 12 34 pts (13)6 0.0 17.0
11 Dec 11 39 pts (13)1Overall Winner0. 0 17.0
04 Dec 11 35 pts (13)3Overall Third0.0 17.0
3 Dec 11 Clause 23 Adjustment-0 -7.0 17.0
20 Nov 11 38 pts (18)2Overall Runner-Up0.0 24.0
13 Nov 11 40 pts (18)1Overall Winner0.0 24.0
13 Nov 11 First Award-0 0.0 24.0

First comp entered 13 nov

 

[BTatHome]

Gross 56?

I think he meant nett 56

 

[BTatHome]

No surprise that they cut you quickly with all those scores.

How did you ever get the original handicap ?

 

[BeachGolfer]

Good scores. Only surprise I see is how you ever got a starting handicap of 24.

 

[rosecott]

Woah, Woah, there's something big hidden between the lines here. Although you seem to have ended up with what is probably a correct handicap, there's something a bit dodgy in the process. You were allocated a handicap of 24, played 2 "Sunday Bashes" and were immediately chopped 7 shots under clause 23. From the info, the 2 rounds were not qualifiers and were played off 3/4 handicap. I have never, ever heard of a 7 shot clause 23 reduction and that after playing only 2 non-qualifiers - it doesn't add up. There's got to be more to this than meets the eye

 

[louise_a]

Reading that doesn't make me quite so bad about by 2 wins. Presumeably after being 8 bettewr than CSS last week, another round like that in the next few weeks and I could be in for a ESR.

 

[rosecott]

Question on a slight thread creep Rosecott, can you still have general play cuts or are they done away with now?

They are still allowed but should be pretty rare with the introduction of ESR. There will still be situations such as when it is realised that an initial allocation may have been over-generous.

 

[chris661]

They are still allowed but should be pretty rare with the introduction of ESR. There will still be situations such as when it is realised that an initial allocation may have been over-generous.

Ta.

 

[duncan mackie]

Woah, Woah, there's something big hidden between the lines here. Although you seem to have ended up with what is probably a correct handicap, there's something a bit dodgy in the process. You were allocated a handicap of 24, played 2 "Sunday Bashes" and were immediately chopped 7 shots under clause 23. From the info, the 2 rounds were not qualifiers and were played off 3/4 handicap. I have never, ever heard of a 7 shot clause 23 reduction and that after playing only 2 non-qualifiers - it doesn't add up. There's got to be more to this than meets the eye

I'm sure there is - this is, after all, a record of competition scores with, presumably, a significant number of NQ comps over the winter months.

It's entirely possible that there was other evidence, in addition to the NQ scores illustrated, that lead the committee to consider that they had allocated the wrong handicap in the first place.

part of the problem is that they are using 'clause 23' as their label for everything - clearly they aren't all annual reviews.

a good example of what the ESR should be delivering without intervention going forwards, interesting to put all those scores into a series of calcs based on them all being Q scores and that the ESR existed from day 1. Obviously it would help to know at least an SSS!

 

[duncan mackie]

They are still allowed but should be pretty rare with the introduction of ESR. There will still be situations such as when it is realised that an initial allocation may have been over-generous.

I agree but would point out the obvious - general play is fundamently about NQ evidence, then annual reviews are about patterns within Q comps etc

I would certainly pre-empt ESR in the first couple of competitions - firmly beleive that these are a real indicator as to whether the 3 cards were representative!

 

[louise_a]

Obviously it would help to know at least an SSS!

Accordign to website SSS at Rose bowl county club is 66 off white, 65 of yellows.

I would have thought it would be higher off yellows than whites not less.

 

[chris661]

Accordign to website SSS at Rose bowl county club is 66 off white, 65 of yellows.

I would have thought it would be higher off yellows than whites not less.

Whites tend to be medal tees and therefore further back.

 

[BTatHome]

Whites tend to be medal tees and therefore further back.

It's a 9 hole course, but with different tees for the two nines.

 

[rosecott]

Accordign to website SSS at Rose bowl county club is 66 off white, 65 of yellows.

I would have thought it would be higher off yellows than whites not less.

More mystery! The EGU website - OK Golf England now - has it as a 9-hole course par 69 SSS 69 from the whites (yellows not mentioned)..

 

[golfsaint]

OH why did i start this thread !!

 

[Foxholer]

Woah, Woah, there's something big hidden between the lines here. Although you seem to have ended up with what is probably a correct handicap, there's something a bit dodgy in the process. You were allocated a handicap of 24, played 2 "Sunday Bashes" and were immediately chopped 7 shots under clause 23. From the info, the 2 rounds were not qualifiers and were played off 3/4 handicap. I have never, ever heard of a 7 shot clause 23 reduction and that after playing only 2 non-qualifiers - it doesn't add up. There's got to be more to this than meets the eye

Incorrect initial handicap, which would appear to be the case, is also Clause 23.