Why are the OEMs not making sets for everyone?

[Ye Olde Boomer]

Faster swing-speed hitters hit 4° gapped irons 12-15 yards apart from one another.

Slower swing-speed hitters hit 4° gapped irons 8 or 9 yards apart from each other,
and get less variation on long irons gapped only 3° apart.

The major OEMs have VERY COMPETENT engineers.
They KNOW this.
They knew it long before I figured it out.

Thus failing to make 5° gapped GI models for slower swing-speed players
has to be a deliberate marketing consideration that benefits them
but not their customers.

I am always disappointed by how much slack
the general golf community is willing to cut them.
Is it excessive tolerance or lack of understanding?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

What ?!

 

[Imurg]

They make heads for the majority.
If your gaps are less than 10 yards you simply have fewer irons in your bag and get them bent appropriately to achieve the desired gap
It's not compulsory to carry 14 clubs and carrying 1 less iron isn't going to upset any balance if they're correctly lofted.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Just get fitted

 

[Ye Olde Boomer]

They make heads for the majority.
If your gaps are less than 10 yards you simply have fewer irons in your bag and get them bent appropriately to achieve the desired gap
It's not compulsory to carry 14 clubs and carrying 1 less iron isn't going to upset any balance if they're correctly lofted.

Disagree in this case. They can only fit you with the clubs being made.

If they start bending a 3/4° gapped set into 5° gaps with corresponding lengths,
you end up with a mess of mismatched bounce angles and swing weights.
That's simple fact. We can't deny physics.

The fitters may be doing their jobs
but the OEMs are not in my view.
And not enough of the golf equipment consumers demand more of them.

OEMs like Callaway offer a huge number of models every roll out year
and while the strength of the lofts may vary,
the gapping on the biggest game improvement shovels
is the same as on the most unforgiving butter knife blades.

Not offering swing speed considered gapping on the different models
is malpractice, and the unsophisticated consumer lets them get away with it.

 

[Voyager EMH]

"I am always disappointed by how much slack
the general golf community is willing to cut them.
Is it excessive tolerance or lack of understanding?"

They tell us what, how and why.
If you don't accept what they say, you are simply an out-of-touch, out-of-date, ignorant denier.
You are supposed to want new equipment all the time, whatever it is, because they tell us that is what we want and need.

We are lesser mortals who exist only to feed the beast that is the Big Money.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

What an absolute load of tosh.
If you can't play golf with the clubs that anyone can buy, don't play at all.
Stick to your 400yd drives and +10 handicaps.

 

[Imurg]

Disagree in this case. They can only fit you with the clubs being made.

If they start bending a 3/4° gapped set into 5° gaps with corresponding lengths,
you end up with a mess of mismatched bounce angles and swing weights.
That's simple fact. We can't deny physics.

The fitters may be doing their jobs
but the OEMs are not in my view.
And not enough of the golf equipment consumers demand more of them.

OEMs like Callaway offer a huge number of models every roll out year
and while the strength of the lofts may vary,
the gapping on the biggest game improvement shovels
is the same as on the most unforgiving butter knife blades.

Not offering swing speed considered gapping on the different models
is malpractice, and the unsophisticated consumer lets them get away with it.

And the fitting process involves adjusting lofts as required....
There are sets available for slower singers with high launch and better gapping....JPX923HL for example.

 

[Voyager EMH]

What an absolute load of tosh.
If you can't play golf with the clubs that anyone can buy, don't play at all.
Stick to your 400yd drives and +10 handicaps.

Of course - anyone can afford £1,000 a year subs and £2,000 to £3,000 for 14 new clubs.

 

[Burnsey]

The OEM’s do make clubs for everyone, just perhaps not universally.

Go for a fitting, order what suits you.

Job done.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Of course - anyone can afford £1,000 a year subs and £2,000 to £3,000 for 14 new clubs.

That’s a very random reply to what was posted

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Of course - anyone can afford £1,000 a year subs and £2,000 to £3,000 for 14 new clubs.

Ive sold OEM clubs, perfectly good for a beginner. £50 for a set of Ping irons.
Of course, they won't give you a 400yd pitch or drive

 

[Banchory Buddha]

Disagree in this case. They can only fit you with the clubs being made.

If they start bending a 3/4° gapped set into 5° gaps with corresponding lengths,
you end up with a mess of mismatched bounce angles and swing weights.
That's simple fact. We can't deny physics.

The fitters may be doing their jobs
but the OEMs are not in my view.
And not enough of the golf equipment consumers demand more of them.

OEMs like Callaway offer a huge number of models every roll out year
and while the strength of the lofts may vary,
the gapping on the biggest game improvement shovels
is the same as on the most unforgiving butter knife blades.

Not offering swing speed considered gapping on the different models
is malpractice, and the unsophisticated consumer lets them get away with it.

That in particular is important

 

[Voyager EMH]

Ive sold OEM clubs, perfectly good for a beginner. £50 for a set of Ping irons.
Of course, they won't give you a 400yd pitch or drive

I bought a set of Ping irons 3-SW this year for £40.

They got me from 5.4 to 4.5 - so far this year since I started using them for handicap qualifying scores.
In my last 10 comps I've won two lowest gross prizes, made six 2s in the sweeps and 7 of those scores are in my best 8.

In my next 10 games I can not go up by more than 0.2 on the day that solitary score drops off.
I expect to come down a bit more.

Quite suitable for an experienced player?
Would you agree?

Oh yes, they have 3, 4 and 5 degree gaps up to PW and a 7 degree gap between PW and SW.

 

[Voyager EMH]

That’s a very random reply to what was posted

It was not a random reply.
It was a conscious decision to do so.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

I bought a set of Ping irons 3-SW this year for £40.

They got me from 5.4 to 4.5 - so far this year since I started using them for handicap qualifying scores.
In my last 10 comps I've won two lowest gross prizes, made six 2s in the sweeps and 7 of those scores are in my best 8.

In my next 10 games I can not go up by more than 0.2 on the day that solitary score drops off.
I expect to come down a bit more.

Quite suitable for an experienced player?
Would you agree?

Oh yes, they have 3, 4 and 5 degree gaps up to PW and a 7 degree gap between PW and SW.

Well done, but I'm struggling to see the point

 

[Voyager EMH]

Well done, but I'm struggling to see the point

There was a post that implied anyone could buy the clubs that are available.
I responded that not anyone can afford new clubs and/or golf club membership.
You responded to my post that a set of Ping irons for £50 is suitable for a beginner.
I responded to your post that a set of Ping irons for £40 is suitable for an experienced player - me - and explained how and why.

I think this is called a conversation.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

A proper fitter will find an idsal match for all swing speeds, height and swings (Flat/upright)

 

[Ye Olde Boomer]

What an absolute load of tosh.
If you can't play golf with the clubs that anyone can buy, don't play at all.
Stick to your 400yd drives and +10 handicaps.

Well, I have no idea what you're talking about in terms of 400 yard drives and +10 handicaps.

I drive the ball only a little more than half that distance,
and removal of the "plus" symbol on that handicap brings us closer to home.

If you have no interest in the physics of club design, that's perfectly OK,
but if you wish to refer to hard fact as "tosh"--I'm personally unfamiliar with that term--
you're simply choosing to be belligerent.

You seem to be just enough of a populist to have imagined grievances,
and maybe I'm just enough of an elitist to have little tolerance for it.

Does this forum have an ignore function?
If so,
I hope the administrators will advise me as to how it works.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Well, I have no idea what you're talking about in terms of 400 yard drives and +10 handicaps.

I drive the ball only a little more than half that distance,
and removal of the "plus" symbol on that handicap brings us closer to home.

If you have no interest in the physics of club design, that's perfectly OK,
but if you wish to refer to hard fact as "tosh"--I'm personally unfamiliar with that term--
you're simply choosing to be belligerent.

You seem to be just enough of a populist to have imagined grievances,
and maybe I'm just enough of an elitist to have little tolerance for it.

Does this forum have an ignore function?
If so,
I hope the administrators will advise me as to how it works.

Click on my name, and the middle option tab is ignore