EU Referendum

[SocketRocket]

Wrong! If that was the case, we wouldn't have deficits!

Government borrows the between what it receives and what it pays out/spends!

You are either being obtuse and looking for an argument or cant be bothered to read and digest the whole post. I tend to think it's the former and driven very much by some kind of personal issue you have with me.

I just wish you would grow up and stop this silly behaviour. You are aware how it always ends up!

 

[Foxholer]

Ah, that old reply! ;rolleyes:

No! Neither. But I agree, that discussion area is complete.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

For someone who the Brexiteers claim is a Cameron 'stooge' on the UK/EU debate - speaking words put in to his mouth by Remain - this guy makes a good fist of talking as if he really means it...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36120808

 

[Hobbit]

For someone who the Brexiteers claim is a Cameron 'stooge' on the UK/EU debate - speaking words put in to his mouth by Remain - this guy makes a good fist of talking as if he really means it...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36120808

Read up on the TTIP trade deal and what it's done for South Korea. A promise of 60,000 jobs and economic growth has seen 40,000 job losses and an increase in deficit of £3.5billion. And then look up how many Labour MP's are against it, along with the fears the BMA have of it and what it will do to the NHS.

Of course he wants the trade deal. It's a win for the US and no one else.

At least argue Remain from a British stand point, and not what's best for America!

 

[Foxholer]

For someone who the Brexiteers claim is a Cameron 'stooge' on the UK/EU debate - speaking words put in to his mouth by Remain - this guy makes a good fist of talking as if he really means it...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36120808

He does!

But then, that's his job! And was also his job before politics! So he's had a bit of practice at putting his message across!

It has always seemed to me that Democrat presidents have been more convincing speakers than Republican ones. Bill Clinton made a particularly impressive speech at a (televised) Labour Party Conference some time ago!

 

[MarkE]

For someone who the Brexiteers claim is a Cameron 'stooge' on the UK/EU debate - speaking words put in to his mouth by Remain - this guy makes a good fist of talking as if he really means it...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36120808

Getting out of the TTIP trade deal would be an added bonus of exiting the EU. The USA will still trade with us, as will the eu, it's in their own interests as much as ours.

 

[ScienceBoy]

The out campaign has been sounding a bit "everything will be the same if we leave". Seems a strange tactic.

 

[MarkE]

The out campaign has been sounding a bit "everything will be the same if we leave". Seems a strange tactic.

I've never said things will be the same. Things will be better, could'nt be worse.

 

[SocketRocket]

The out campaign has been sounding a bit "everything will be the same if we leave". Seems a strange tactic.

Some things would be the same: Sun will rise in the Morning and Set in the Evening, Tuesday will follow Monday and so on. Initially nothing much will seem different but after a while we will realise we have the ability to do things without having to go to Big Brother and grovel or as we have recently done; go cap in hand and if we are lucky get a few crumbs from the Big Boys table. We may decide we want to toss out some foreign scumbag troublemaker or stop countries underpricing our vital industries. It wont be the same, it will have the opportunity to be be what WE make it.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I've never said things will be the same. Things will be better, could'nt be worse.

You really think that things couldn't be worse - on what evidence pray tell? How about they'll be worse whilst the UK goes through the pain and years re-negotiating the 50+ significant economic agreements developed over the last 40yrs that the EU has in place with the rest of the world. All deals that the rest of the world has negotiated with the EU - a market of 250m people. Of course they'll be enthusiastic in negotiating better deals with us - a country of no consequence in the context of the EU market they have existing deals with. You are seriously deluded.

As Andrew Rawnsley writes today about Vietnam - a significant future economy in the east. Whose major trade agreements are in SE Asia , China, and Australasia - and also with the EU. And why do they bother with the EU? Because of the size of the market and the single market. The UK out of the EU would be of very little interest to Vietnam. And yet Brexiteers tell us that the likes of Vietnam are those countries and economies that a Brexitted UK would be able to fully work with to greater benefit when we are out of the EU. Except Vietnam wouldn't be interested in the UK. Where is the Vietnamese minister telling us how much they look forward to developing new agreements with a Brexitted UK - not hearing very much from anyone on that front.

 

[MegaSteve]

Quite looking forward to making 'stuff' for ourselves again creating proper jobs rather than warehousemen for 'stuff' made elsewhere... Putting some pride back into the place...

As far as I am concerned you can shove globalisation right up where the sun don't shine...

 

[jp5]

Think you're doing the UK a disservice, SILH.

Look at it another way - what country wouldn't want to be trading with the 5th largest economy in the world?

Just look at this from a Canadian politician. Makes a fair case for the other side.

 

[SocketRocket]

Quite looking forward to making 'stuff' for ourselves again creating proper jobs rather than warehousemen for 'stuff' made elsewhere... Putting some pride back into the place...

As far as I am concerned you can shove globalisation right up where the sun don't shine...

Here here!

 

[FairwayDodger]

As far as I am concerned you can shove globalisation right up where the sun don't shine...

I'm afraid that no amount of wishful thinking is putting that genie back in the bottle.

 

[Ethan]

I've never said things will be the same. Things will be better, could'nt be worse.

And in a nutshell, there is the reason the Brexiteers are dangerous and naive. Things could be a very great deal worse. To believe otherwise is incredibly foolish.

 

[Ethan]

As far as I am concerned you can shove globalisation right up where the sun don't shine...

Is that the dictionary definition of an insular Littke Englander?

 

[SocketRocket]

You really think that things couldn't be worse - on what evidence pray tell? How about they'll be worse whilst the UK goes through the pain and years re-negotiating the 50+ significant economic agreements developed over the last 40yrs that the EU has in place with the rest of the world. All deals that the rest of the world has negotiated with the EU - a market of 250m people. Of course they'll be enthusiastic in negotiating better deals with us - a country of no consequence in the context of the EU market they have existing deals with. You are seriously deluded.

As Andrew Rawnsley writes today about Vietnam - a significant future economy in the east. Whose major trade agreements are in SE Asia , China, and Australasia - and also with the EU. And why do they bother with the EU? Because of the size of the market and the single market. The UK out of the EU would be of very little interest to Vietnam. And yet Brexiteers tell us that the likes of Vietnam are those countries and economies that a Brexitted UK would be able to fully work with to greater benefit when we are out of the EU. Except Vietnam wouldn't be interested in the UK. Where is the Vietnamese minister telling us how much they look forward to developing new agreements with a Brexitted UK - not hearing very much from anyone on that front.

Here you go talking down your country again. Why do you think Vietnam would have no interest with the UK out of the EU? Countries like Vietnam are interested in the products they need not whether or not they come from the EU. Vietnam is part of the WTO and has free trade agreements with :
China
Japan
South Korea
India
Australia
New Zealand

Why on earth do you think they would not enter into an agreement with the UK if they have entered into ones with them. Your comment asking why Vietnams Minister is not telling us about developing new agreements is a little naive.

 

[Old Skier]

Well it's taken the EU over 40 years to come close but not yet finalise a trade agreement with the good old US of A to which they (USA) are better off. So it sounds like we might be one behind the EU in line then.

 

[MarkE]

And in a nutshell, there is the reason the Brexiteers are dangerous and naive. Things could be a very great deal worse. To believe otherwise is incredibly foolish.

The usual remain reply. Insult anyone with a different view to your own with nothing to back it up. Yawn.

 

[MegaSteve]

Is that the dictionary definition of an insular Littke Englander?

HOW HIGH?



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