EU Referendum

[ger147]

I'm no fan of this government but I just can't see why anyone thinks the government should fund propaganda that opposes its position? Just nonsense. Has it ever happened before?

The rules governing spending limits etc. of the referendum are set by the Electoral Commission. This is to ensure impartiality and they define how much public money both sides get, ensuring both sides get an equal chance to put their case etc.

IMO, the Government's leaflet drives a cart and horses through all of that, especially as claim as they might, staying in the EU can not be the official government position as all government policy is covered by collective responsibility, the cornerstone of UK cabinet government, and collective responsibility was not achieved for staying in the EU as Cameron could never have got the whole cabinet to agree to it, hence the free vote and the freedom to campaign for a Leave vote despite remaining in the cabinet.

 

[Crazyface]

Ok here's just a snippet -
Will UK leaving force the collpase of the EU and could Europe fall into bickering and war again without an EU? Who cares
Will Brexit really help control unwanted migration, the migrants that a lot of us are concerned about i.e. at the Calais camps are not coming from the EU. EU migrants in my area are not numerous and seem to do a good job. Yes and really most are wandering around my town at lunchtime and their kid are not in school.
After Brexit will I need a visa to visit EU countries?
Where I grew up (Highlands of Scotland) it was an EU objective 5b area and has benefitted enormously from EU grants, I cant see any equivalent spend from UK govt if we were no EU. Therefore that £350m could be money well spent in places of lower population in the UK where the SE focussed govt dont give an arse about. why? If the tories were ousted it would be
What happens to all the EU citizens who have already settled and made lives here - can they stay?yes. but no benefits to be paid to them for 5 years. BYEEEEEEE
Will UK as a whole voting out and Scotland/Wales/Ni having voted in, does that force the end of the UK anyway?
etc etc

Yes and good luck with that.

 

[Crazyface]

Coming from someone that doesn't understand that removing the UK's nett contribution to the EU would leave a shortfall in their budget SiLH I think I'll take anything that you post with a pinch of salt.

And that is our problem because?????

 

[Crazyface]

I think the now totally debunked cost figure of £350m per week constantly quoted by the all of the Leave groups has holed the Leavers below the waterline.

They do not seem to be able to come up with another believable argument.

Has it? I've not heard anything? Explain please?

 

[Crazyface]

also, just wait until the next collapse of the job market. Oooooooo, There may be trouble ahead...la la la

The Government, which ever party it is don't give a stuff about us plebs. They'll never have to wallow in the smelly stuff they are creating for us.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Has it? I've not heard anything? Explain please?

If someone tells you a blatant lie to influence your support/funding, would you believe anything else they said.

 

[Crazyface]

Also, with all these immigrants, we here in the UK are having to deal with them being unable to speak the language. this means that, at where I work, we are having to allow them on to site without them understanding the safety rules that we issue them with. I have just had to issue an internal warning form regarding this matter. Is this right that we should have to do this? Free movement of the work force is just not practicable unless they are fluent in the language of the country they go to. Their inability to full understand the instructions given to them verbally or written is an accident waiting to happen. Who is to pay for all this? US THAT'S WHO!!!! The "in" voters have no idea of all this. They just see flowers and fluffy bunnies. Open your stupid eyes.

 

[Crazyface]

If someone tells you a blatant lie to influence your support/funding, would you believe anything else they said.

??????

 

[SocketRocket]

I'm no fan of this government but I just can't see why anyone thinks the government should fund propaganda that opposes its position? Just nonsense. Has it ever happened before?

I didnt suggest they should. I rather suggested that it's unfair to keep using tax payers money to support one side of the argument. I thought that it was against the Electoral Commissions rules. The 'Stay Camp' have also challenged the 'Leavers' to show their Dossier that shows the case for leaving. How can they do that when they dont have the Civil Service machine available. :angry:

 

[jp5]

I think the now totally debunked cost figure of £350m per week constantly quoted by the all of the Leave groups has holed the Leavers below the waterline.

They do not seem to be able to come up with another believable argument.

Yet it's somehow still more accurate than the Government's £4,300 loss per household by 2030 figure!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Yet it's somehow still more accurate than the Government's £4,300 loss per household by 2030 figure!

I have not seen anyone easily debunk that figure so, as far as I am concerned.......yes.
Have you noticed that no one is using that £350m figure now, even on hear leave supporters know it is wrong.

 

[jp5]

I have not seen anyone easily debunk that figure so, as far as I am concerned.......yes.
Have you noticed that no one is using that £350m figure now, even on hear leave supporters know it is wrong.

Really? It's a ridiculous calculation - national GDP expressed per household has no relevance. I don't think I've ever seen that metric used to measure anything!

It also is expressed in terms of households today instead of the number of households in 2030. Why would you do that? I can't think of any reason other than to inflate the figure.

It's a pretty insulting piece of arithmetic!

The £350m figure at least has some grounding in reality, though agree it's also been subject to some misrepresentation.

 

[Foxholer]

Also, with all these immigrants, we here in the UK are having to deal with them being unable to speak the language. this means that, at where I work, we are having to allow them on to site without them understanding the safety rules that we issue them with. I have just had to issue an internal warning form regarding this matter. Is this right that we should have to do this? Free movement of the work force is just not practicable unless they are fluent in the language of the country they go to. Their inability to full understand the instructions given to them verbally or written is an accident waiting to happen. Who is to pay for all this? US THAT'S WHO!!!! The "in" voters have no idea of all this. They just see flowers and fluffy bunnies. Open your stupid eyes.

How will this change with Brexit?

Membership of EFTA - as proposed by Gove as the solution to free Trade - is via the EEA, which requires 'the freedom of movement of persons' - as well as goods, capital and services - so there would be no change in that area - except UK would not be able to veto which countries become members of the EU!

So LESS control over immigration than now!!

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Whatever the figure is that the Remain campaigners are banding around, it is likely to be very different when they let in poorer countries like Turkey with unstable economies. No doubt if we stay we will have to prop them up as well just like Greece.

Can someone please explain to me why I now have to work to 66 to fund my pension yet the Greeks expect to retire at 55 even though they don't have the money to do so and the EU has to bail them out?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Whatever the figure is that the Remain campaigners are banding around, it is likely to be very different when they let in poorer countries like Turkey with unstable economies. No doubt if we stay we will have to prop them up as well just like Greece.

Can someone please explain to me why I now have to work to 66 to fund my pension yet the Greeks expect to retire at 55 even though they don't have the money to do so and the EU has to bail them out?

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/greece/retirement-age-men
Not according to these guys......you been reading UKIP stuff again DFS?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Coming from someone that doesn't understand that removing the UK's nett contribution to the EU would leave a shortfall in their budget SiLH I think I'll take anything that you post with a pinch of salt.

I understand a financial shortfall. But it isn't all about money is it - as much as Brexiteers would like to pretend.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I understand a financial shortfall. But it isn't all about money is it - as much as Brexiteers would like to pretend.

:lol: Oooooooooo spot on there Hogan.

 

[ColchesterFC]

I understand a financial shortfall. But it isn't all about money is it - as much as Brexiteers would like to pretend.

I don't think I've heard anyone from the Leave side say it's all about money. They normally have other reasons whether it be immigration, self determination, less interference from Brussels or any one of a number of any reasons.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I don't think I've heard anyone from the Leave side say it's all about money. They normally have other reasons whether it be immigration, self determination, less interference from Brussels or any one of a number of any reasons.

But boy - just imagine the amount of money that we'd have to spend - however we choose without someone else telling us how to spend it - if we didn't have to pay benefits and working tax credits to immigrants; pay for housing and infrastructure to support immigrants; pay out of work benefits to those whose jobs have been stolen by immigrants. Yes you are right - it isn't all about money...

 

[SocketRocket]

But boy - just imagine the amount of money that we'd have to spend - however we choose without someone else telling us how to spend it - if we didn't have to pay benefits and working tax credits to immigrants; pay for housing and infrastructure to support immigrants; pay out of work benefits to those whose jobs have been stolen by immigrants. Yes you are right - it isn't all about money...

Come on now, that the same type of argument that can used to suit any side. Here's another: If all these immigrants pay lots of tax and Ni into the system, don't claim benefits and are big net contributors then why aren't we rolling in dosh. We should have lots more money to fund the NHS, build houses, more schools, cut taxes and retire earlier. Bring them on!