EU Referendum

[SocketRocket]

Yes.......... a case of Stuff You red wine please.

Are you joking Lets see now!

So Hermann, we will tell those British Turncoats that they will have to go without our million BMW's a year from now on.

Yes, Helmut I agree and we will also stop letting them have our Mercedes, that will teach them a lesson.

Great idea, can we join up and stop our Volks Wagons, Audis, Skodas and Seats. That will teach Tommy to go his own way.

Pass the schnapps please

Wait a minute :temper:

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Are you joking Lets see now!

So Hermann, we will tell those British Turncoats that they will have to go without our million BMW's a year from now on.

Yes, Helmut I agree and we will also stop letting them have our Mercedes, that will teach them a lesson.

Great idea, can we join up and stop our Volks Wagons, Audis, Skodas and Seats. That will teach Tommy to go his own way.

Pass the schnapps please

Wait a minute :temper:

Not to mention the cheese, wine, olive oil and also Spanish fish no doubt caught in British waters amongst all the other things we import

 

[FairwayDodger]

You guys are being deliberately obtuse. Of course they won't stop selling us their stuff or buying our stuff but there will be barriers that don't currently exist imposed in both directions.

Norway pays the EU to be part of a free trade area but ask their Salmon farmers whether they'd rather be in the EU or not and you'll get an emphatic "yes".

 

[Old Skier]

You guys are being deliberately obtuse. Of course they won't stop selling us their stuff or buying our stuff but there will be barriers that don't currently exist imposed in both directions

Not if someone sensible ran the asylum. What's the point in charging us to send goods to the EU when the EU is sending their stuff to us, it would cost them more as they send more stuff to us and if they raised their prices to cover the cost of the stuff we would look for the stuff elsewhere , simpels.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Not if someone sensible ran the asylum. What's the point in charging us to send goods to the EU when the EU is sending their stuff to us, it would cost them more as they send more stuff to us and if they raised their prices to cover the cost of the stuff we would look for the stuff elsewhere , simpels.

Indeed. Meanwhile, in the real world.....

 

[Old Skier]

Indeed. Meanwhile, in the real world.....

Are you suggesting as we import more from the EU than we export to the EU we will pay more.

Tarifs are normally payed on goods in.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Are you suggesting as we import more from the EU than we export to the EU we will pay more.

Tarifs are normally payed on goods in.

I'm suggesting that there will be barriers and/or tariffs to trade that don't exist at the moment and that both "sides" will be worse off as a result.

 

[ColchesterFC]

I'm suggesting that there will be barriers and/or tariffs to trade that don't exist at the moment and that both "sides" will be worse off as a result.

Wouldn't we be better off as we would be receiving more from these tariffs on the imports than we would be paying on our exports? No idea if that is correct but it seems logical to me. I don't understand why the EU would impose restricitions if it's going to cost them more than it costs us. Perhaps someone with a better grasp of the subject might be able to explain.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Wouldn't we be better off as we would be receiving more from these tariffs on the imports than we would be paying on our exports? No idea if that is correct but it seems logical to me. I don't understand why the EU would impose restricitions if it's going to cost them more than it costs us. Perhaps someone with a better grasp of the subject might be able to explain.

I don't think you can say "we" will be better off. There will likely be winners and losers on both sides.

 

[ColchesterFC]

I don't think you can say "we" will be better off. There will likely be winners and losers on both sides.

Apologies, I used "we" to mean the UK overall, in terms of receiving more from any tariffs than we would pay on them. And I still don't know if we would or not.

Just to be clear I'm meaning better off in this one specific instance relating to trade tariffs if they were imposed rather than better off in general from voting to leave the EU.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Apologies, I used "we" to mean the UK overall, in terms of receiving more from any tariffs than we would pay on them. And I still don't know if we would or not.

Just to be clear I'm meaning better off in this one specific instance relating to trade tariffs if they were imposed rather than better off in general from voting to leave the EU.

Yes, I understood your meaning but IMO it's too simplistic. If your company exports to the EU, and suddenly finds it more expensive to do that either through tariffs or simply increased bureaucracy it doesn't really matter to you if the bigger picture is that the total increased burden for EU firms is bigger than that of UK firms. It's just a spurious argument.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Yes, I understood your meaning but IMO it's too simplistic. If your company exports to the EU, and suddenly finds it more expensive to do that either through tariffs or simply increased bureaucracy it doesn't really matter to you if the bigger picture is that the total increased burden for EU firms is bigger than that of UK firms. It's just a spurious argument.

I think that there will be winners and losers which ever way the vote goes. Another question that the Leave campaign need to answer is whether there would be an increase or reduction in bureaucracy for firms if we voted to leave. I would assume that any UK firm wanting to export to the EU would still have to meet all the EU regulations so how would leaving actually reduce bureaucracy and all this famous EU red tape that we keep hearing about.

P.S. I assumed you knew what I meant but clarified just in case any of the forum pedants decided to question it.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

There will likely be winners and losers on both sides.

Yes......and maybe that is a clue as to why the EU is so keen for us to stay in?

 

[FairwayDodger]

Yes......and maybe that is a clue as to why the EU is so keen for us to stay in?

Of course.

 

[SocketRocket]

I think that there will be winners and losers which ever way the vote goes. Another question that the Leave campaign need to answer is whether there would be an increase or reduction in bureaucracy for firms if we voted to leave. I would assume that any UK firm wanting to export to the EU would still have to meet all the EU regulations so how would leaving actually reduce bureaucracy and all this famous EU red tape that we keep hearing about.

P.S. I assumed you knew what I meant but clarified just in case any of the forum pedants decided to question it.

A lot of EU rules and regulations affect what we do with our internal markets as well as our external ones. Outside the EU we would be free from this 'red tape'. Fisheries and agriculture come to mind here but there will be many more. Of course we would need to abide by EU regulations on goods exported there but thats the same with the USA, Japan, Australia and so on and so forth.

 

[SocketRocket]

Yes, I understood your meaning but IMO it's too simplistic. If your company exports to the EU, and suddenly finds it more expensive to do that either through tariffs or simply increased bureaucracy it doesn't really matter to you if the bigger picture is that the total increased burden for EU firms is bigger than that of UK firms. It's just a spurious argument.

The previous suggestion that import tariffs would be two way is absolutely correct and would be in no ones interest, a free trade agreement would be created without doubt. The suggestions that we would have to abide by similar rules as Norway and Switzerland is also very doubtful, we would have much more clout than those countries, they are very small compared to us and trade net surpluses with the EU, not really comparing apples with apples. The other factor the UK would have as a massive positive would be that we would be able to make free trade agreements with anyone around the World, we cannot do that while in the EU.

Something else we should consider is manufacturing more and importing less, we need to create more jobs, especially for young people and increasing our manufacturing base is a great way to do this. We may have to pay more for things like a pair of socks, a shirt or a toothbrush but just think of the advantage of those things being produced by British workers paying NI and Tax rather than importing them from China. If anyone thinks the EU model is better then just look at the eye watering youth unemployment in many EU countries.

 

[ColchesterFC]

A step in the right direction or conveniently timed empty platitudes directed towards people wavering in their decision on how to vote? I'll let you decide...........

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36087022

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Independent source......remember this was the guy who said that it was conceivable that an independent Scotland could use the £.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...eady-beginning-to-manifest-warns-mark-carney/

 

[Deleted member 15344]

:mmm:

 

[MarkE]

Germany are bricking it, the possibility of us leaving. It's mainly on their shoulders (and France) to make up the shortfall of funds the eu would lose from the UK. No wonder the rest of the eu are so keen on us staying.