EU Referendum

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

well Ruhr valley pop density is 2,800/km2 Quite busy in that part of Germany

 

[Ethan]

well Ruhr valley pop density is 2,800/km2 Quite busy in that part of Germany

Population density is a bad measure, but he used area and population, so I responded in kind. Monaco has a population density of 18700 per sq km, and one of the highest net worths per person in the world.

If people live in flats or apartments, the pop density doesn't measure the pressure on accommodation very well.

 

[SocketRocket]

Loved today's headline and front page comment in the Daily Mail

Who WILL speak for England

Stuff rUK!

I just read that article and it's not suggesting that only England needs speaking up for. It is referring to an incident 76 years ago where the Tory anti-appeaser Leo Amery issued his famous wartime invitation across the floor of the House of Commons over the shoulder of a hapless Neville Chamberlain. It actually asks who will speak for the UK if you read it.

 

[delc]

well Ruhr valley pop density is 2,800/km2 Quite busy in that part of Germany

Greater London has a population of 8.6 million with a population density of 5,200 per km2. And where do most of the economic migrants want to go?

 

[ColchesterFC]

well Ruhr valley pop density is 2,800/km2 Quite busy in that part of Germany

Well Greater London pop density is 5437/km2 Quite busy in that part of England.

Not quite sure what the point of your post was or what it was trying to prove but you can manipulate the figures to show you whatever you want them to show.

 

[Ethan]

Greater London has a population of 8.6 million with a population density of 5,200 per km2.

Flats and apartments explain a lot of that. As I said, a bad measure.

The UK, or England, if you prefer, has plenty of space. Most of the space isn't around London, though.

 

[delc]

Flats and apartments explain a lot of that. As I said, a bad measure.

The UK, or England, if you prefer, has plenty of space. Most of the space isn't around London, though.

Or anywhere else in the South-East, where towns like Bracknell, Basingstoke (aka Basingrad), Farnborough Woking and many more are just growing like Topsy. Many of our golf courses down here are being threatened by housing developments. In my home town, a number of former commercial properties and a hotel are being converted into flats and apartments, so more people living here, but no increases in roads and other infrastructure! Hence gridlocked roads every morning and evening!

 

[Ethan]

Or anywhere else in the South-East, where towns like Bracknell, Basingstoke (aka Basingrad), Farnborough Woking and many more are just growing like Topsy. Many of our golf courses down here are being threatened by housing developments. In my home town, a number of former commercial properties and a hotel are being converted into flats and apartments, so more people living here, but no increases in roads and other infrastructure! Hence gridlocked roads every morning and evening!

I live in Wokingham, so I have the same experience. And they are redeveloping an old army camp half a mile down the road which will also use the narrow road into town I do. But there are plenty of places in England, Wales and Scotland where there is plenty of room. I

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Who will speak for England ?

Present standings in the North Brittish printable version are.

1] Alan Partridge
2] Roy Chubby Brown
3] Chas 'n Dave.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

What are the other arab nations doing to take in refugees?

 

[jp5]

What are the other arab nations doing to take in refugees?

10% of Jordan's population is refugees
20% of Lebanon's population is refugees

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

10% of Jordan's population is refugees
20% of Lebanon's population is refugees

Thank you, sounds like they have done a bit to help. What about the wealthier states like Saudi and the UAE?

 

[SocketRocket]

I live in Wokingham, so I have the same experience. And they are redeveloping an old army camp half a mile down the road which will also use the narrow road into town I do. But there are plenty of places in England, Wales and Scotland where there is plenty of room. I

So it's Ok to overpopulate them as well?

 

[JamPal]

So it's Ok to overpopulate them as well?

Population is a big issue, mainly caused by pensioners living to be one hundred and twelvety three these days. Our aging population means the state is paying huge amounts in pensions and taking less and less money in income tax.

For the country's economy to grow, we need a young, fit and able work force. Amazingly, even the people on Jeremy Kyle don't excrete enough loin fruit to staff our nation. There's a good reason unemployment is so low, and it's the same reason we need migrants: The relentless pursuit of "growth".

I agree that we are over populated. But what can we do? Become communists? Have a cull of old folk? Breed more? None of these seem good ideas really.

I am, at heart a capitalist, but as population reaches critical mass, we are feeling some of the shortcomings of capitalism very keenly indeed. The roads are all but impassable. Schools are full. Care homes are chock full of urine-soaked old tossers ( a fate that is just round the corner for most of us, I'd bet).

For my part, I drink too much and eat fatty foods. I'll not be taking up too much room past my sell-by. It is our duty to die, so live life to the full and don't sit around repeating yourself in a pool of your own excreta and TCP for too long. That's not living. The world is full, if you're not living on the edge you are taking up too much space.

 

[bluewolf]

Population is a big issue, mainly caused by pensioners living to be one hundred and twelvety three these days. Our aging population means the state is paying huge amounts in pensions and taking less and less money in income tax.

For the country's economy to grow, we need a young, fit and able work force. Amazingly, even the people on Jeremy Kyle don't excrete enough loin fruit to staff our nation. There's a good reason unemployment is so low, and it's the same reason we need migrants: The relentless pursuit of "growth".

I agree that we are over populated. But what can we do? Become communists? Have a cull of old folk? Breed more? None of these seem good ideas really.

I am, at heart a capitalist, but as population reaches critical mass, we are feeling some of the shortcomings of capitalism very keenly indeed. The roads are all but impassable. Schools are full. Care homes are chock full of urine-soaked old tossers ( a fate that is just round the corner for most of us, I'd bet).

For my part, I drink too much and eat fatty foods. I'll not be taking up too much room past my sell-by. It is our duty to die, so live life to the full and don't sit around repeating yourself in a pool of your own excreta and TCP for too long. That's not living. The world is full, if you're not living on the edge you are taking up too much space.

A point I've made many times, but without the clarity and humour I suppose.. :thup:

 

[SocketRocket]

Population is a big issue, mainly caused by pensioners living to be one hundred and twelvety three these days. Our aging population means the state is paying huge amounts in pensions and taking less and less money in income tax.

For the country's economy to grow, we need a young, fit and able work force. Amazingly, even the people on Jeremy Kyle don't excrete enough loin fruit to staff our nation. There's a good reason unemployment is so low, and it's the same reason we need migrants: The relentless pursuit of "growth".

I agree that we are over populated. But what can we do? Become communists? Have a cull of old folk? Breed more? None of these seem good ideas really.

I am, at heart a capitalist, but as population reaches critical mass, we are feeling some of the shortcomings of capitalism very keenly indeed. The roads are all but impassable. Schools are full. Care homes are chock full of urine-soaked old tossers ( a fate that is just round the corner for most of us, I'd bet).

For my part, I drink too much and eat fatty foods. I'll not be taking up too much room past my sell-by. It is our duty to die, so live life to the full and don't sit around repeating yourself in a pool of your own excreta and TCP for too long. That's not living. The world is full, if you're not living on the edge you are taking up too much space.

That theory wont work though. If you increase the population with immigrants then they will also grow old and require even more immigrants to pay for their old age. You would need to increase the population exponentially using that model. It's not a solution at all. I would suggest that more people will not reach old age if you look at the levels of obesity and binge drinking so it will all probably be OK anyway. Also with increased life expectancy it has already been planned to increase the pensionable age so you whippersnappers will have to turn up at the grindstone for rather longer to pay for your state pensions.

Also: There are more people working now than any other time in our history. Why should they be taking less and less in income tax?

 

[bluewolf]

That theory wont work though. If you increase the population with immigrants then they will also grow old and require even more immigrants to pay for their old age. You would need to increase the population exponentially using that model. It's not a solution at all. I would suggest that more people will not reach old age if you look at the levels of obesity and binge drinking so it will all probably be OK anyway. Also with increased life expectancy it has already been planned to increase the pensionable age so you whippersnappers will have to turn up at the grindstone for rather longer to pay for your state pensions.

None of which solves the issues that we are currently facing.. Unbridled capitalism requires constant growth.. This is great when you have a small population. However, when the population reaches "critical mass", then Capitalism requires a "correction".. What form this correction will take is presently unknown, but I strongly suspect that it won't be pleasant..

 

[delc]

Population is a big issue, mainly caused by pensioners living to be one hundred and twelvety three these days. Our aging population means the state is paying huge amounts in pensions and taking less and less money in income tax.

For the country's economy to grow, we need a young, fit and able work force. Amazingly, even the people on Jeremy Kyle don't excrete enough loin fruit to staff our nation. There's a good reason unemployment is so low, and it's the same reason we need migrants: The relentless pursuit of "growth".

I agree that we are over populated. But what can we do? Become communists? Have a cull of old folk? Breed more? None of these seem good ideas really.

I am, at heart a capitalist, but as population reaches critical mass, we are feeling some of the shortcomings of capitalism very keenly indeed. The roads are all but impassable. Schools are full. Care homes are chock full of urine-soaked old tossers ( a fate that is just round the corner for most of us, I'd bet).

For my part, I drink too much and eat fatty foods. I'll not be taking up too much room past my sell-by. It is our duty to die, so live life to the full and don't sit around repeating yourself in a pool of your own excreta and TCP for too long. That's not living. The world is full, if you're not living on the edge you are taking up too much space.

As a fairly fit and active pensioner, I don't feel quite ready to fall on my sword just yet! Gordon Brown's harebrained solution to the problem was to pay poorer people benefits to have children, in the hope than the Labour voting underclass would expand and keep them in power for ever. Fortunately this cunning plan didn't work! The migrants who came in at the time took up this offer with gusto, as did the vile Mick Philpott who had about 20 kids by several different women and used the child benefits to fund his workshy life style! No wonder the schools are full to bursting point, and the school run is causing major traffic problems! Whilst one has to feel sorry for the Syrian and other refugees, the problem is that if you allow them to settle and get a good life here, they are not going to back to their own countries, if and when things get sorted out there.

 

[SocketRocket]

None of which solves the issues that we are currently facing.. Unbridled capitalism requires constant growth.. This is great when you have a small population. However, when the population reaches "critical mass", then Capitalism requires a "correction".. What form this correction will take is presently unknown, but I strongly suspect that it won't be pleasant..

Opening the floodgates to unchecked immigration (which seems quite appealing to a number of posters here) would bring that 'critical mass' about sooner rather than later. I am not convinced we have unbridled Capitalism here, seems far from it when you consider our generous welfare system.

The 'correction' you speak of will come about but not from a political system but from Natural and Human Nature. Competition for scarce resources will probably be the deciding factor on when and how that 'correction' takes place.

 

[Hacker Khan]

None of which solves the issues that we are currently facing.. Unbridled capitalism requires constant growth.. This is great when you have a small population. However, when the population reaches "critical mass", then Capitalism requires a "correction".. What form this correction will take is presently unknown, but I strongly suspect that it won't be pleasant..

Will it be culling the elderly?? If so then I think there could be other wins as well. The roads would not be so crowded as they would not be full of old people waiting for someone else to move at mini roundabouts for 10 minutes or slowing down to 10 mph to get round a barely detectable bend in the road. Plus a lot of golf clubs would no longer have the silly dress codes favoured by the elderly generation meaning the game would open itself up to a new generation. It's win win I think.