EU Referendum

[SocketRocket]

And I'm the one using scare stories

Thats not a scare stort, it's a fact. Read this link then suggest it's a scare story!

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...-eu-financial-transaction-tax-legal-challenge

 

[SocketRocket]

My company export, mainly into Europe, which is as easy as selling at home. And a little into Turkey, which is painful, India, which is also painful and the US which is like pulling teeth.

Our engineers drive round Europe installing our boxes, they work and travel freely and only need their passports to get in and out of Blighty.

The advantages of the EU are blindingly obvious for me. For a postman, Doctor, or someone in manufacturing that for some reason doesn't export they might only see the cost of membership. The cost is massively outweighed by the benefit. In fact, to the economy as a whole there is no cost.


It's a long way from perfect, but I would rather we had a say in how our nearest and most important markets are run. Not being at the table seems churlish. I can't help feeling that the no camp could do with spending some time in business, trying to improve the countries' trade deficit, then have another think.

And for those espousing the Norwegian model, they might want to check their figures. It costs them more money and they have no say. A bit like Nigel Farage.

My Company traded Worldwide and never had any real problems with doing that. we had more problems with nit picking EU regulations. We trade at a deficit with the EU so why is it such an important market for us, surely it's the other way round.

Who says we would need to trade using the Norwegian model, it probably suits them as almost all their trade is within the EU and they have a trade surplus with it. Other countries around the world trade with the EU and are not tied up with EU red tape.

 

[Foxholer]

Thats not a scare stort, it's a fact. Read this link then suggest it's a scare story!

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...-eu-financial-transaction-tax-legal-challenge

Did you notice the date on the article? Keeps getting deferred and only applies to those that wish to apply it! UK does not need to apply it!

UK already has a financial transaction tax!

 

[Ethan]

Here is some insightful coverage:

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/...res-leftover-sandwiches-for-uk-20160203105866

 

[JohnnyDee]

Here is some insightful coverage:

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/...res-leftover-sandwiches-for-uk-20160203105866

Excellent insight into the hard work Dave has done on behalf of Daily Fail readers.

As Winston Churchill himself might have put it, "Anyone got a big fat Cuban cigar?"

Bravo!!

 

[jp5]

Immigration isn't an issue where I live, I know some areas have had to deal with more than most. There are those that will use any excuse to blame migrants for their own woes. leaving Europe won't stop them.

Of course. But if you look at it pragmatically, a stable population would have struggled with the cuts to public services in recent years. Let alone one that is increasing by 1 million people every 3 years.

 

[jp5]

Immigration may well be #1 issue where you live but where I live it is a total non subject. [Apart from the UKIP types who fortunately are extremely rare]
I think a lot of Scots welcome immigrants and our country certainly has the capacity and ability to take them.
[Only hard working tax paying families of course.]

Re earlier post......... I saw a recent poll that stated that of those who had made up their minds 65% of Scots wished to remain in the EU

I'd wager that average house prices in your neck of the woods aren't 12x average salaries and rising at 15% year on year.

Anything that the government could do to make other areas of the country more attractive than the south east and hence spread the benefits of immigration across the country as a whole would be welcome.

 

[jp5]

It is - but when you ask folk why you often get spurious, ill-founded or ill-informed answers. And when pressed further you find that the concerns folk have aren't really as a result of their own personal experience - only what they have heard, read or been told about. And we know how reliable that sort of thing can be - especially in a society that is always looking to blame others for their problems and ills.

And even with those who should know these things - take David Lidington (Europe Minister) for instance last night on Newsnight - he had no idea how many immigrants are attracted to this country by the benefits system. No idea at all. But many of the public will tell us that that is a huge issue for them.

That's a very generalising post.

I'm talking about simple mathematics. If 330,000 people came to the country last year and we built 140,000 new homes then there is going to be a squeeze on housing. That pressure must extend onto public services and travel infrastructure.

I'm all for the benefits of a net immigration, but it's got to be properly planned for which doesn't seem to be happening.

And unfortunately there isn't a referendum on e.g. more house building. But there is one on reducing the other side of the issue.

 

[SocketRocket]

Here is some insightful coverage:

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/...res-leftover-sandwiches-for-uk-20160203105866

That's starting to sway my judgement. Dave has suggested that every household will get a fair share of the doggy bags and if he said it then it's a certainty.

 

[Foxholer]

Thats not a scare stort, it's a fact. Read this link then suggest it's a scare story!

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...-eu-financial-transaction-tax-legal-challenge

Forgot to add to previous reply....

Absolutely love the picture of Osborne in that link! :rofl:

One thing I love about (all) the Media is how they select the picture to match the tone/focus of the article!

 

[SocketRocket]

Forgot to add to previous reply....

Absolutely love the picture of Osborne in that link! :rofl:

One thing I love about (all) the Media is how they select the picture to match the tone/focus of the article!

He's not looking happy :smirk:

 

[SocketRocket]

I'd wager that average house prices in your neck of the woods aren't 12x average salaries and rising at 15% year on year.

Anything that the government could do to make other areas of the country more attractive than the south east and hence spread the benefits of immigration across the country as a whole would be welcome.

He lives in a little Hamlet under a Scottish mountain. I can see where he's coming from when he says that immigration isn't an issue where he lives

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

How much does it cost us to be in the EU on an annual basis? The last figure I read was we are a nett contributor to the tune of £10bn per annum. Is that figure still correct?

 

[Hacker Khan]

Thats not a scare stort, it's a fact. Read this link then suggest it's a scare story!

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...-eu-financial-transaction-tax-legal-challenge

The tax is a proposed tax on all transactions in the EU as a way of trying to make the financial institutions pay their way after all the assistance they got during the crisis. And it needs all countries in the EU to agree to it to implement it across the EU. Which the UK will not do unless it is implemented globally. So I believe 14 or so countries in the EU will possibly implement it, with the UK not being one of them. The ones that don't sign up to it can join at any time if they so desire.

Therefore it is not a story of the 'nasty EU' coming to raid the UK, and therefore your honour I would put it to the to the jury that it is another scare story about how the EU will make us destitute on behalf of the Out of Europe party.

 

[SocketRocket]

As I see it the big problem with the EU debate is, and will become ever more, that LEAVE will allow (they probably won't encourage) immigration to become the focus of much public debate. The problem with that is that the debate on immigration tends to focus on us (in the UK) selfishly protecting what we have and what we deem to be sacrosanct in respect of our way of life. When the debate should really be framed in the context of the very changed world of mass movement of people that we live in today. And that movement isn't going to stop coming the UKs way just because, like Canute and the tide, we sit on the sand and tell it to.

So what is the answer. Do you suggest that we have open borders and unlimited immigration? If not then what?

Why is it selfish for us to want to protect the benefits and life we and our forefathers have worked to create. It is possible to take a great deal of control over your borders but as members of the EU we will not be able to do that. As the EU continues it's lemming like policy of taking in more lame duck economies and some with large populations then we are open to immigration on a scale we have not seen the likes of yet. No matter how much our hearts bleed we will not be able to create suitable infrastructures to cope and the result will be a downward trend on standards of living and quality of life plus a surge of support for the far right.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I'd wager that average house prices in your neck of the woods aren't 12x average salaries and rising at 15% year on year.

Anything that the government could do to make other areas of the country more attractive than the south east and hence spread the benefits of immigration across the country as a whole would be welcome.

Please correct me if I am wrong in your assessment....... you are all right jack with a hugely overpriced house which means the rUK outside of SE England have to leave the EU against their wishes.
The megabucks of wealth that is being spent on the transport system around London IMO is a huge waste of the UK's wealth.
What is the point of getting on a train from Birmingham to London 20 minutes quicker if it is only going to increase congestion.

If you cannot afford to buy a house in SE England tough, do as the Scots have done since the 16th century move to better yourself.

 

[jp5]

Please correct me if I am wrong in your assessment....... you are all right jack with a hugely overpriced house which means the rUK outside of SE England have to leave the EU against their wishes.
The megabucks of wealth that is being spent on the transport system around London IMO is a huge waste of the UK's wealth.
What is the point of getting on a train from Birmingham to London 20 minutes quicker if it is only going to increase congestion.

If you cannot afford to buy a house in SE England tough, do as the Scots have done since the 16th century move to better yourself.

Not often Mr Troon but you are indeed wrong on that assessment!

Agree that HS2 is a collosal waste of £50bn or however much it is now which could be much better spent on regional services. I hear up north they've still got busses running on train lines.

I'd very entertain thoughts of a move to Scotland (or elsewhere), the biggest stumbling block personally is family. If I could move all of my and my partner's family with us, it's a no-brainer.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

He lives in a little Hamlet under a Scottish mountain. I can see where he's coming from when he says that immigration isn't an issue where he lives

Dunno mate, I had a nice wee chat with a Polish lady at the vets the other day. Surprisingly I also have a car and travel around a bit.
I have even been known to talk to people. [hope that did not spoil your silly wee patronsing post]

Large sections of Scottish businesses in the underpopulated areas could not survive without Eastern European and Ossie/NZ staff. They are very welcome, they join in and contribute a great deal to our culture.

 

[SocketRocket]

Dunno mate, I had a nice wee chat with a Polish lady at the vets the other day. Surprisingly I also have a car and travel around a bit.
I have even been known to talk to people. [hope that did not spoil your silly wee patronsing post]

Large sections of Scottish businesses in the underpopulated areas could not survive without Eastern European and Ossie/NZ staff. They are very welcome, they join in and contribute a great deal to our culture.

Tell that to the 170,000 unemployed in Scotland.

 

[MarkE]

How much does it cost us to be in the EU on an annual basis? The last figure I read was we are a nett contributor to the tune of £10bn per annum. Is that figure still correct?

Someone stood up in the house of commons today and stated it was £9 billion net per year. Imagine what the Uk could do with that each year, rather than propping up poorer eu nations.