EU Referendum

[SocketRocket]

Too true, HK jail crooked bankers, whilst the UK bails them out.

Wow! You never blamed it on England! keep it up!!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

And so UK leaves the EU. How does the UK stop Northern Ireland being flooded with central and eastern Europeans coming in through the Republic of Ireland? And once they are there how do we stop them travelling by ferry to the mainland.

I am sure the answers are obvious and straightforward.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

And so UK leaves the EU. How does the UK stop Northern Ireland being flooded with central and eastern Europeans coming in through the Republic of Ireland? And once they are there how do we stop them travelling by ferry to the mainland.

I am sure the answers are obvious and straightforward.

By having border control obviously and checks at terminals

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

By having border control obviously and checks at terminals

Where are the border controls going to be and checks at what terminals? Northern Ireland has an open border with the RoI (and it's 499km long)

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Where are the border controls going to be and checks at what terminals? Northern Ireland has an open border with the RoI.

Which terminals do you think - ferry and airports and it won't be such an open border if we leave the UK

It's not exactly a game changing and is something that would to tackled

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Which terminals do you think - ferry and airports and it won't be such an open border if we leave the UK

It's not exactly a game changing and is something that would to tackled

How do you control immigration between the RoI and Northern Ireland? Do you have internal UK passport control between NI and the mainland? What do you expect the RoI to do? I am not aware that the RoI can stop entry of EU citizens.

How would it be tackled? These are simple and basic questions and I don't know the answers.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

How do you control immigration between the RoI and Northern Ireland? Do you have internal UK passport control between NI and the mainland? What do you expect the RoI to do?

How would it be tackled?

By having border control like they do all over the world at many countries borders - I thought that's pretty obvious

I expect the UK would expect the ROI to do anything - UK would control their border just like any other entry from outside the UK.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

By having border control like they do all over the world at many countries borders - I thought that's pretty obvious

I expect the UK would expect the ROI to do anything - UK would control their border just like any other entry from outside the UK.

OK then - where are the border controls on the border between the RoI and NI going to be. Easy enough to implement border controls into the UK mainland at ferry terminals from mainland Europe - but I'm struggling with the Irish land border. And why would someone wanting to get into the UK not just walk across the fields between the two countries and then just jump on a ferry at Larne - unless you have passport control at Larne?

This may not be a deal breaker - but it's a pretty obvious question in respect of immigration which still seems for many to be the prime motive for leaving the EU - so it's worth understanding how it would actually work

 

[Deleted member 15344]

OK then - where are the border controls on the border between the RoI and NI going to be. Easy enough to implement border controls into the UK mainland at ferry terminals from mainland Europe - but I'm struggling with the Irish land border. And why would someone wanting to get into the UK not just walk across the fields between the two countries and then just jump on a ferry at Larne - unless you have passport control at Larne?

The same as other countries - on the main roads and then also the ferry ports etc will have passport control.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

The same as other countries - on the main roads and then also the ferry ports etc will have passport control.

But Hungary has had to put up a huge fence to stop immigration. You're saying that that won't be necessary because everyone from central and eastern Europe wanting to get into the UK will arrive at a border control (are these going to be on all cross-border roads btw?) to be turned back - or put into an assessment centre while their suitability for entry into the UK is determined. And because the land border is open I assume we'll have internal UK passport checking at Larne? Surely that won't happen.

Is that how it's going to work?

As immigration (of central and eastern europeans) is reason #1 for so many who will vote to leave, it seems pretty obvious that there could be a huge hole in the UKs border control and I'd have thought that even if nothing else was thought through there would be pretty solid plans in place for it. Despite what many think the UK is not an island.

 

[MegaSteve]

This may not be a deal breaker - but it's a pretty obvious question in respect of immigration which still seems for many to be the prime motive for leaving the EU -

Nope... Those that wish to stay have no good reasons to explain why... So try and pick a fight elsewhere... Guess you watch QT... Have you not noticed this to be the case every time UK membership comes up...

And, can't understand why you are panicking... Dave's business mates simply will not allow him to take us out...

 

[Deleted member 15344]

But Hungary has had to put up a huge fence to stop immigration. You're saying that that won't be necessary because everyone from central and eastern Europe wanting to get into the UK will arrive at a border control (are these going to be on all cross-border roads btw?) to be turned back - or put into an assessment centre while their suitability for entry into the UK is determined. And because the land border is open I assume we'll have internal UK passport checking at Larne? Surely that won't happen.

Is that how it's going to work?

As immigration (of central and eastern europeans) is reason #1 for so many who will vote to leave, it seems pretty obvious that there could be a huge hole in the UKs border control and I'd have thought that even if nothing else was thought through there would be pretty solid plans in place for it. Despite what many think the UK is not an island.

If someone wants to get into the UK from any Non EU now they find a way -

If we were to leave the EU the borders could still be open but people from outside of the U.K. wouldn't be able to arrive and then start living of the state - people from Eastern Europe come to the UK to get their free money and then live a nice life without lifting a finger. They wouldn't be able to do that if we left the EU because we wouldn't have to give them a single penny

 

[SocketRocket]

SILH. The pull factor from the EU would lessen. Anyone getting into the UK the way you suggest would be an illegal and would have no visa, no rights to work, no rights to state support and would not be able to claim asylum, they would only be able to work in the black market. Also the Irish Republic would have to be careful as their citizens have had special privileges in the UK regarding visas, employment and benefits.

 

[Old Skier]

I love the way our Dave wants everyone to vote before any of his "demands" are even ratified.

IMO the vote won't even be a close call.

 

[Ethan]

I think the proposal that immigrants would only be entitled to benefits at a level appropriate to the cost of living is outrageous and the EU should tell Cameron to stick it.

I will be voting to stay in the EU but I would hate Cameron or any of his ilk to think it was in any way connected to his King Canute performance. My vote will be despite him.

 

[SocketRocket]

I think the proposal that immigrants would only be entitled to benefits at a level appropirta eot the cost of living is outrageous and the EU should tell Cameron to stick it.

I will be voting to stay in the EU but I would hate Cameron or any of his ilk to think it was in any way connected to his King Canute performance. My vote will be despite him.

Under those proposals some Migrants could get benefits at a higher rate than UK citizens, even when its family allowance for children outside the UK.

 

[Ethan]

Under those proposals some Migrants could get benefits at a higher rate than UK citizens, even when its family allowance for children outside the UK.

That is just as bad. Although I suspect the idea is to punish and disincentivise eastern Europeans more than reward Danes. Nasty politics.

 

[Old Skier]

Under those proposals some Migrants could get benefits at a higher rate than UK citizens, even when its family allowance for children outside the UK.

Don't let fact get in the way of a good old political moan.

Meanwhile a bit of sence http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03...ampaign=victoriaderbyshire&ns_source=facebook

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Don't let fact get in the way of a good old political moan.

Meanwhile a bit of sence http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03...ampaign=victoriaderbyshire&ns_source=facebook

From that clip it would appear that neither side of the debate can base their argument on cold, hard facts and, thus, we will all have to decide based upon our gut-feeling, emotion, political leaning, instinct and possibly even prejudice.

Bit like any other election or referendum!

What it does suggest to me is that it is pointless for those committed on either side to demand facts from others as those available are not conclusive.

 

[Old Skier]

From that clip it would appear that neither side of the debate can base their argument on cold, hard facts and, thus, we will all have to decide based upon our gut-feeling, emotion, political leaning, instinct and possibly even prejudice.

Bit like any other election or referendum!

What it does suggest to me is that it is pointless for those committed on either side to demand facts from others as those available are not conclusive.

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Be prepared to cut and paste this several thousand times over the coming months.