EU Referendum

[Deleted Member 1156]

Dissenting voices like D4S need to be silenced for the good of all humanity!

OK.....just give me beer and curry on a Friday night and I'll toe the party line

 

[FairwayDodger]

OK.....just give me beer and curry on a Friday night and I'll toe the party line

There must be an EU slush fund for this!

 

[Old Skier]

The key word is 'could' and anything 'could' happen!

If a Brexit really does prompt the collapse of the EU, then it's in a pretty parlous state anyway! Though as the only state to have left it through real choice, I can see how other states might also question its relevance/value. More likely, imo, it would lead to a revised organisation, more in line with what the UK renegotiation was actually wanting!

EU Commisioner now says on the BBC site that the risk of a break up is very real.

 

[Hacker Khan]

But it's not specifics though HK

Why is it easier and quicker because we are in the EU - is it a paper work trail ? Is it because of extra fees ? Is it cheaper because of some airport fees are different ?

Has there been troubles for Easy Jet flying out of countries not in the EU - doesn't seem to have any substance behind it

At least the boss of Ford said it pretty clearly - he wasn't sure what the impact would be but if negative could result in job losses

It all seems very familiar to a very recent referendum - lots of generic sound bites but when it gets down to the details they are very much lacking

Probably yes, but she probably didn't expect to have to provide a detailed audited account. But I am sure she could provide a detailed list of the cost implications on best estimates as that is all she can do. But No one knows exactly what will happen! Expecting someone to tell us exactly what will happen, as opposed to what they think with their experience and knowledge will probably happen, is just silly. Listen to the arguments on both sides and make your mind up.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Probably yes, but she probably didn't expect to have to provide a detailed audited account. But I am sure she could provide a detailed list of the cost implications on best estimates as that is all she can do. But No one knows exactly what will happen! Expecting someone to tell us exactly what will happen, as opposed to what they think with their experience and knowledge will probably happen, is just silly. Listen to the arguments on both sides and make your mind up.

So again it's more guess work and there actually might not be one single change and indeed might actually make things cheaper for the company ?

 

[drdel]

Interestingly despite the tight predictions and balance in the vote HSBC have decided to remain in the UK - they obviously aren't too concerned which side wins !

 

[Hacker Khan]

So again it's more guess work and there actually might not be one single change and indeed might actually make things cheaper for the company ?

Yes it is guess work. It is a guess, a best estimate, a look into the crystal ball, a look at the tea leaves. She has made a call and offered an opinion based on her knowledge of her industry and company that she runs. Really not sure what you are trying to prove here apart from being pedantic and trying to argue against me when I agree with what you are saying. I know that no one knows for sure! Stop sucking the life out of the thread please. Hey, if everyone in the media or on golf forums agreed to say nothing and offer no opinions because we can't be sure then I would be more than happy not to have to listen to this for the next few months

All I am doing is listening to the arguments made and then forming my opinion on what I think is the best logical outcome. And guess what, I might be wrong as well! It does happen.

 

[FairwayDodger]

And guess what, I might be wrong as well! It does happen.

There's a first time for everything....

 

[Hacker Khan]

There's a first time for everything....

Sometimes right, sometimes wrong, always certain...

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Yes it is guess work. It is a guess, a best estimate, a look into the crystal ball, a look at the tea leaves. She has made a call and offered an opinion based on her knowledge of her industry and company that she runs. Really not sure what you are trying to prove here apart from being pedantic and trying to argue against me when I agree with what you are saying. I know that no one knows for sure! Stop sucking the life out of the thread please.

All I am doing is listening to the arguments made and then forming my opinion on what I think is the best logical outcome. And guess what, I might be wrong as well! It does happen.

Sucking the life out of the thread ?! Is this now the generic answer

I haven't said anything out of the ordinary

Lots of statements are being made by people about the boss of such and such company from both sides as if it's a factual reason to stay in the EU ( that's not aimed at you ) - I just wanted to know the facts instead of generic statements but as I said it's all guess work on both sides with no one ( from companies etc ) coming up with factual , financial reasons to stay or go. Its all being clouded at the moment by anger - I wasn't arguing against you as being honest I have no idea if you are and " in " or "out" - Hogan bailed out and pointed you out in regards the Easyjet statement by suggesting you had posted the actual reasoning behind her statement - that's all

 

[MegaSteve]

Interestingly despite the tight predictions and balance in the vote HSBC have decided to remain in the UK - they obviously aren't too concerned which side wins !

I liked the attitude of the guy on the Beeb [David Buik, I think]...

"Brussels, Frankfurt, Milan can all go and whistle... The financial markets are staying here..."

 

[ColchesterFC]

If it's arrogant I'm sorry - it's not meant to be - what's arrogant about wishing that you could accept the view of someone who you'd expect to know and who stands up and is clear on what she sees as important benefits. What can the likes of that boss of easyJet say to convince you she might have a point - all I hear is the usual 'well she would say that' or 'prove it'. The leave campaign can't prove she is wrong so why not just accept what she says.

There are many counter statements extolling the benefits of leaving that Leave gobble up with glee - why not just accept there may be some benefits from staying - and that what the bosses of easyJet and Thompson/Tui are saying is true.

And I'd thank you if you'd just cut out the nasty comments about arrogance and my being a hypocrite - they are just not necessary.

Of course it's arrogant. You might as well have just typed "pipe down little boy, you don't need to know the reasons just accept what the clever people are telling you and don't question it". I haven't suggested that she was wrong with what she says but I'd like to know the reasoning behind what she is saying so that I can make my own mind up. And it's the same for anyone saying that we should vote to leave the EU. I want to know why they think that and how they have come to that conclusion.

And I will cut out the comments about arrogance and you being a hypocrite just as soon as you stop posting things that are hypocritical. What you posted was hypocritical, you had just been saying that the leave campaign were accepting statements without challenging them and then you told me that I should accept one from the stay campaign without questioning it.

 

[teetime75]

If we leave the EU,the Euro countries who rely on tourism,Spain/Greece/Italy et al are going to vote
to make it more expensive for millions of us to fly to their holiday resorts and spend all our money ?.

I don`t think so.

 

[Foxholer]

Of course it's arrogant. You might as well have just typed "pipe down little boy, you don't need to know the reasons just accept what the clever people are telling you and don't question it". I haven't suggested that she was wrong with what she says but I'd like to know the reasoning behind what she is saying so that I can make my own mind up. And it's the same for anyone saying that we should vote to leave the EU. I want to know why they think that and how they have come to that conclusion.

And I will cut out the comments about arrogance and you being a hypocrite just as soon as you stop posting things that are hypocritical. What you posted was hypocritical, you had just been saying that the leave campaign were accepting statements without challenging them and then you told me that I should accept one from the stay campaign without questioning it.

Try reading the article! http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-business-idUKKCN0V41WG

 

[Hobbit]

And several business leaders in Glasgow, one from the major oil companies, have said leave. I 'see' your sound bite and raise you another sound bite.

And where's the deflection in my post. We are a nett contributor to the tune of £11.4 billion, and the NHS has a funding gap of £8billion. Those are hard facts, not deflection. Oh, but wait! Its not about money says the man who often rants about the NHS! What is it then, fairy dust?

I've got a feeling planes fly to the USA, and elsewhere outside of the EU. I've just booked return flights to Amsterdam from Aberdeen £501. If I booked Glasgow to New York £424. Please let me stay in the EU so it costs more to fly less distance...

Hard facts (numbers) not hairy fairy wishes with a pinch of magic dust.

OK - so we just dismiss what the bosses of easyJet and Thompson/Tui say - well I guess that makes Leaves job easy, just ignore everything Stay say - demanding evidence beyond what the bosses say about being fully aware of how things actually work. Meanwhile Leave guess about how things 'might' work.

I'm not dismissing what she said, I'm showing that she and the oil boss from Glasgow both haven't added anything of substance other than stay/go.

i note, as usual you've ignored the hard facts(numbers). Numbers that could make a significant difference to our economy.

Do we have to guess your stay facts, or have you anything of substance other than being dismissive or ignoring the bits in a counter-argument that you can't find an answer to?

 

[Hobbit]

If we leave the EU,the Euro countries who rely on tourism,Spain/Greece/Italy et al are going to vote
to make it more expensive for millions of us to fly to their holiday resorts and spend all our money ?.

I don`t think so.

How very dare you use common sense amongst all our mindless babble!

and as we're a nett importer I very much doubt there'll be any trade restrictions either. No, wait.... I've used a similar rationale. How stupid of me!

 

[Old Skier]

Interestingly despite the tight predictions and balance in the vote HSBC have decided to remain in the UK - they obviously aren't too concerned which side wins !

IMO this has more to do with the uncertainty of how China is going to act in Hong Kong more than whether we stay or leave the EU. They would rather their investment was in the UK rather than being exposed to the Chine regime.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Norway - a model for UK access to the EU Single Market. Straightforward - yes?

But consider immigration - EEA countries not EU.

Norway and Switzerland have far higher levels of EU immigration than the UK as a proportion of their populations. These countries do operate under slightly different legal arrangements to the UK when it comes to EU migration. In practice, though, they are fully integrated into the EU’s free movement rules, and the EU has repeatedly made it clear that free movement of people is the price that must be paid for access to the single market.

Source: http://openeurope.org.uk/intelligence/immigration-and-justice/norway-and-switzerland/

Daily Telegraph comment on same

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...witzerland-and-Norway-are-not-the-answer.html

 

[Foxholer]

IMO this has more to do with the uncertainty of how China is going to act in Hong Kong more than whether we stay or leave the EU. They would rather their investment was in the UK rather than being exposed to the Chine regime.

I agree.

And especially as Osborne has relented on his rather stupid idea of taxing UK based companies on world-wide profits! HSBC would have been particularly hard hit.

Btw. Having read the BBC article that mentioned 'risk of break-up', it seems to me that he's saying it's the talks (with DC) that are at risk of break-up, not the EU itself!! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35583140

 

[Doon frae Troon]

IMO this has more to do with the uncertainty of how China is going to act in Hong Kong more than whether we stay or leave the EU. They would rather their investment was in the UK rather than being exposed to the Chine regime.

Too true, HK jail crooked bankers, whilst the UK bails them out.