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Oh so you mean the "CEO" as opposed to the "Chairman" or the "Founder" but it still doesn't take away from the fact no one knows or has a crystal ball do they
EU Referendum
- Thread starter Doon frae Troon
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Oh so you mean the "CEO" as opposed to the "Chairman" or the "Founder" but it still doesn't take away from the fact no one knows or has a crystal ball do they
Foxholer
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ColchesterFC
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What a ridiculously arrogant response. Are you such a sheep that you just accept what someone says without wanting to know the reasons? Of course you are because the statement suits your agenda so you are happy to blindly accept it without caring whether it is factual or not.
And complaining about the leave campaign being willing to accept the word of bosses wanting to leave without questioning it and then doing exactly the same from the other side of the argument makes you a complete hypocrite.
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
leavers going to want to leave, stayers going to want to stay, haters going to hate.
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
Still not convinced that I should vote out.
It would help if any Out supporters on here could supply a short list of their reasons why they want to leave the EU.
So far all they seem to be doing is throwing insults at the In's.
Slight feeling of Deja Vu, can't quite understand where it is coming from
It would help if any Out supporters on here could supply a short list of their reasons why they want to leave the EU.
So far all they seem to be doing is throwing insults at the In's.
Slight feeling of Deja Vu, can't quite understand where it is coming from
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Why the heck whenever these political debates and votes happens do certain people like to put labels on things ?!
RUK and many others during the Scottish Ref and now
"Leavers" in this current situation
It always seem to be said in a demeaning way as if you have trodden in something
RUK and many others during the Scottish Ref and now
"Leavers" in this current situation
It always seem to be said in a demeaning way as if you have trodden in something
MegaSteve
Tour Winner
I fully agree with two thirds of this....
However, I've never got my head around "haters going to hate"...
And, perhaps too long in the tooth to... Hey ho...
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
FairwayDodger
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The main problem with the EU is all the squabbling from the countries' parliaments. We need a central European government that completely replaces national governments. The continent's resources can then be properly utilised for the benefit of us all without nationalistic bickering. Europe-wide elections for MEPs and a directly elected president. Maybe Angela Merkel or someone like that.
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That is exactly what I don't want!
Old Skier
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There are many business bosses who say we are better out. I suppose in your mind they are wrong.
MegaSteve
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Cos I never wanted to join in the first place...
It always looked like it was heading the way of becoming a club for the in crowd... A bit like the Masons...
If we were in, in the first place, it might've been different...
Johnny come latelys never quite seem to fit in...
Ashley and his ilk still prosper employing on zero hours...
And, folk still get touted around by gangmasters for way below anything resembling the minimum wage...
And, being in is supposed to be good for the worker... Yeh right!
Nothing has changed in the 40 years and all for £55M a flippin' day...
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Still not convinced that I should vote out.
It would help if any Out supporters on here could supply a short list of their reasons why they want to leave the EU.
So far all they seem to be doing is throwing insults at the In's.
Slight feeling of Deja Vu, can't quite understand where it is coming from
It certainly is Deja Vu - lots of hot air and guesswork - same as another recent referendum
Im still waiting though for your "glaringly obvious" reasons to stay in that you mentioned a couple days back
But I'll give one reason leaving - the amount of money we put into the EU massively outweighs the benefits we see from the EU
We are subjected to the community rules on benefits we must give to someone arriving from an EU country.
If another country suffers bankruptcy ala Greece then we have to give more money to bail them out - sorry but why should be punished because another country couldn't sort their own finances.
Just a few reasons I have heard from people who want the UK to leave
Not heard many reasons to stay
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Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
I am guessing that a lot depends on where you main market/customer base is. If it is predominantly UK based then I imagine there will be more chance of them wanting to get out as I imagine they get a lot of burdens without that many benefits. Where as if they export a lot to Europe and even globally then I imagine they will be more inclined to want to stay in. And I expect neither are right or wrong.
In fact I'd welcome a good economic argument/discussion by people wanting to leave as it will make a refreshing change to the focus on the immigration topic which I still say, in the grand scheme of things, is a minor consideration. Let's debate the economics of it all.
From my perspective both me and my wife work for global companies and also I see how a lot of our investments are influenced by European and global economies. So that's why I'd rather stay in, economically it makes more sense to me for myself, my family, my company and the UK economy. But more than happy to listen to any economic arguments otherwise.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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If it's arrogant I'm sorry - it's not meant to be - what's arrogant about wishing that you could accept the view of someone who you'd expect to know and who stands up and is clear on what she sees as important benefits. What can the likes of that boss of easyJet say to convince you she might have a point - all I hear is the usual 'well she would say that' or 'prove it'. The leave campaign can't prove she is wrong so why not just accept what she says.
There are many counter statements extolling the benefits of leaving that Leave gobble up with glee - why not just accept there may be some benefits from staying - and that what the bosses of easyJet and Thompson/Tui are saying is true.
And I'd thank you if you'd just cut out the nasty comments about arrogance and my being a hypocrite - they are just not necessary.
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
But that is kind of saying just because the economic working conditions in this country are not 'perfect' then that is a reason to get out. No one is condoning paying below the minimum wage or gangs exploiting workers, but I am struggling to see how that would have changed if we were out of the EU? And there are not perfect economic working conditions anywhere in the world, in fact I'd argue the Germans are as close as you get nowadays, and you can't get more EU than them.
And I am pretty sure that hundreds of posts ago a businessman listed the benefits he and also UK workers had gained from being in the EU?
Foxholer
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H'mm. I don't believe anyone is really contemplating that, and don't think anyone would accept that approach either. While a fan of the concept of what the EU is about, I certainly wouldn't want to see the EU government replacing national ones! They are different countries for real reasons!
Only unify things that are sensible to unify and let member states run the rest! - the concepts of subsidiarity and proportionality.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
No I'd don't think they are wrong. it is their opinion and they know what they see as being best for themselves and their business. I just don't go telling them to prove they would be better out because I know that they actually can't - and they can't because they do not know the commercial environment they will be operating in - they can only guess.
FairwayDodger
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We need to aim not just for a central european government but a one world government, foxy! Without that I don't see how we can ever aspire to a Roddenburyesque utopia. Dissenting voices like D4S need to be silenced for the good of all humanity!
Old Skier
Tour Winner
I agree with all that you say, however as neither side (the ones who really know rather than us on a forum) seem to be able or willing to give out the real facts and costs the public will only be able to vote as per their perceptions. The costs of the EU have spiralled out of control, nobody came up with a proper reason why the EU needed two parliaments and why they have never been able to balance the books and have huge black holes in their accounts every year - but it's not about the money according to one on here who is happy with the odd billion euros going missing every year .
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