EU Referendum

[Deleted member 1418]

I believe the fishing quota's are awarded to the country [UK] so it would be Westminster and not the EU doing the peeing. [after the EU has done the original peeing of course]:lol:

Fishing quotas are indeed awarded to the UK as the Member State, but each UK administration receives an annually agreed share of the UK quotas for distribution to their respective fleet. So it's up to the Scottish Government to determine how its annual fishing opportunities are allocated and managed. Fishing is one area where all four UK administrations actually work very well together on and would probably benefit from a Brexit (i.e. taking control of our own fishing policy and territorial waters).

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Why should flights be cheaper if we are in the EU as opposed to out? And why would the number of destinations be reduced? Surely the routes are already there as are the planes. Don't see why the price would rise dramatically after a leave vote.

Maybe it could be seen as a positive for the leave campaign as well. Less people flying abroad means less pollution from aircraft and more people holidaying at home would boost the UK economy as well.

Because the boss of easyJet said so!

But of course she would say that (Leave deflection tactic #2)

And I look forward to Leave campaign highlighting the benefit of fewer and more expensive flights.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Because the boss of easyJet said so!

But of course she would say that (Leave deflection tactic #2)

And I look forward to Leave campaign highlighting the benefit of fewer and more expensive flights.

Does the boss of easy jet have Crystall ball ?

How does he or indeed anyone know exactly how things will be after a vote ?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Married 40 yr old has a mid-life crisis.

The Mrs is not looking quite as good as she did 15yrs ago when they met; she’s grumpy with him much of the time, and he doesn’t go much for what she’s doing with the kids. What with two hard-work young toddlers and a truculent and out of control 15yr old - she lets them get away with too much and they are really hard work. And the great sex-life? What’s happened to that? He’s too fit, virile and good-looking to be stuck in the straightjacket and difficulties of family life and wants out - he wants to live the life of a batchelor again. And so files for divorce.

And so the spurned wife – left to deal with the young children and the teenager, she really doesn’t want him to go even although he’s not been a lot of help over the last few, and too often finds himself having to stay up in London ‘due to having to work late or go out with customers’. Ah yes – that old chestnut she thinks. But she wants them to stay together so can put up with his moans and will turn a bit of a blind eye to other matters.

But he wants out. It’s just not working for him any more. Well she knows she can’t stop him leaving – but does try and encourage him to stay - look at what you are giving up she pleads. But no.

And so – what does she do. Does she bow to his every request for access to the children? Does she waiver all claims to half of all that is jointly theirs. No - she is frustrated and angry - and determines to extract every last penny she can out of him - now on the separation – even although she knows it will cause him real problem financial problems – and on an ongoing basis – house; alimony payments; maintenance; school fees; holidays etc.

Yes – he can leave if that is what he wants – but as this is going to hurt her and the children for many years then by God she is going to make sure this separation will hurt him and he is going to pay – now and for a long time. And no easy access to her or the kids - for anything - unless they pay.

And I think Phillip Hammond on the Andrew Marr program yesterday tried to make that clear.

rEU bend over backwards to accommodate all the wishes of a UK that has left? What with Marine Le Pen making similar leave noises in France - rEU do all it can to make UK relationships with them remain pretty much as they currently are? I absolutely don't think so. But Leave are telling us they will. Oh how optimistic/deluded they might well be.

 

[MegaSteve]

And I look forward to Leave campaign highlighting the benefit of fewer and more expensive flights.

No need for a third runway....
Will sound good for a lot of folk around Heathrow...

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

No need for a third runway....
Will sound good for a lot of folk around Heathrow...

Let's hear Leave sell it then

 

[ColchesterFC]

Did the boss of Easyjet happen to mention why flights would become more expensive or just that they would? Maybe as part of leaving the EU we have to physically move the UK further away which means flights would be longer leading to higher fuel use.

And as for your marriage analogy at what point does the spurned wife realise that her unreasonable behaviour is costing her billions of pounds in lost trade and that maybe maintaining a cordial split would be best for her?

 

[MegaSteve]

Let's hear Leave sell it then

Sell what? Heathrow?


Cheap plentiful air passage ranks right up there as a non reason for EU membership...
Right alongside... You'll be able to continue driving around in your German made cars...

Can't see either changing with Brexit... Too much vested interest and potential profit to be lost...

 

[Hobbit]

It's not all about money and immigration you know.

Yet more deflection and avoidance from the Leave camp yesterday.

Bosses of easyJet and Thompson/Tui give good positive benefits of EU membership: very much cheaper flights, wide selection of destination etc (easyJet); excellent coordination of security investigations etc such as following the Tunisia massacre (Thompson/Tui).

Leave say 'scaremongering'. Is that all Leave can say when benefits are highlighted? - it seems so.

And several business leaders in Glasgow, one from the major oil companies, have said leave. I 'see' your sound bite and raise you another sound bite.

And where's the deflection in my post. We are a nett contributor to the tune of £11.4 billion, and the NHS has a funding gap of £8billion. Those are hard facts, not deflection. Oh, but wait! Its not about money says the man who often rants about the NHS! What is it then, fairy dust?

I've got a feeling planes fly to the USA, and elsewhere outside of the EU. I've just booked return flights to Amsterdam from Aberdeen £501. If I booked Glasgow to New York £424. Please let me stay in the EU so it costs more to fly less distance...

Hard facts (numbers) not hairy fairy wishes with a pinch of magic dust.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

And several business leaders in Glasgow, one from the major oil companies, have said leave. I 'see' your sound bite and raise you another sound bite.

And where's the deflection in my post. We are a nett contributor to the tune of £11.4 billion, and the NHS has a funding gap of £8billion. Those are hard facts, not deflection. Oh, but wait! Its not about money says the man who often rants about the NHS! What is it then, fairy dust?

I've got a feeling planes fly to the USA, and elsewhere outside of the EU. I've just booked return flights to Amsterdam from Aberdeen £501. If I booked Glasgow to New York £424. Please let me stay in the EU so it costs more to fly less distance...

Hard facts (numbers) not hairy fairy wishes with a pinch of magic dust.

OK - so we just dismiss what the bosses of easyJet and Thompson/Tui say - well I guess that makes Leaves job easy, just ignore everything Stay say - demanding evidence beyond what the bosses say about being fully aware of how things actually work. Meanwhile Leave guess about how things 'might' work.

 

[Foxholer]

Does the boss of easy jet have Crystall ball ?

How does he or indeed anyone know exactly how things will be after a vote ?

Tut tut!!

Very bad assumption!

 

[Hacker Khan]

Did the boss of Easyjet happen to mention why flights would become more expensive or just that they would? Maybe as part of leaving the EU we have to physically move the UK further away which means flights would be longer leading to higher fuel use.

And as for your marriage analogy at what point does the spurned wife realise that her unreasonable behaviour is costing her billions of pounds in lost trade and that maybe maintaining a cordial split would be best for her?

I think the gist was that being in the EU makes it a lot easier to run an airline, as being in the EU allows airlines to fly across Europe ad to lots of destinations relatively easily. And if this was lost then the UK airlines would incur additional costs to continue their operations as they are, which would then be passed onto the customer leading to increased air fares and/or a reduction in destinations to fly to. There is then the knock on effect to the economy of potentially reduced and more expensive air fares in that people would not be able to move around so easily for business or on holidays, which will effect then UK tourist industry which is over 10% of our economy. 2 of the biggest 5 airlines in Europe are UK listed as is Europe's largest travel operator. She said how much you pay for your holiday really depends on how much influence Britain has in Europe.

There was also a point made by the boss of TUI about how being in the EU helps a lot when it comes to the security of holidaymakers as cooperation with other EU countries is vital in these situations.

Of course if you want to stay in this will all make sense and be a good point well made. If you want to leave then it of course scaremongering of the highest order. And I doubt anyone's views will have been changed by it in the slightest.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Tut tut!!

Very bad assumption!

You telling me a boss of a company is actually is a boy without a winkle?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Tut tut!!

Very bad assumption!

Yes it was

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I think the gist was that being in the EU makes it a lot easier to run an airline, as being in the EU allows airlines to fly across Europe ad to lots of destinations relatively easily. And if this was lost then the UK airlines would incur additional costs to continue their operations as they are, which would then be passed onto the customer leading to increased air fares and/or a reduction in destinations to fly to. There is then the knock on effect to the economy of potentially reduced and more expensive air fares in that people would not be able to move around so easily for business or on holidays, which will effect then UK tourist industry which is over 10% of our economy. 2 of the biggest 5 airlines in Europe are UK listed as Europe largest travel operator. She said how much you pay for your holiday really depends on how much influence Britain has in Europe.

There was also a point made by the boss of TUI about how being in the EU helps a lot when it comes to the security of holidaymakers as cooperation with other EU countries is vital in these situations.

Of course if you want to stay in this will all make sense and be a good point well made. If you want to leave then it of course scaremongering of the highest order. And I doubt anyone's views will have been changed by it in the slightest.

Thanks @HK - I was girding my loins to provide this rationale as provided by the bosses - but as you allude to, I was thinking 'oh why bother'

 

[Foxholer]

You telling me a boss of a company is actually is a boy without a winkle?

Something like that!

 

[ColchesterFC]

I think the gist was that being in the EU makes it a lot easier to run an airline, as being in the EU allows airlines to fly across Europe ad to lots of destinations relatively easily. And if this was lost then the UK airlines would incur additional costs to continue their operations as they are, which would then be passed onto the customer leading to increased air fares and/or a reduction in destinations to fly to. There is then the knock on effect to the economy of potentially reduced and more expensive air fares in that people would not be able to move around so easily for business or on holidays, which will effect then UK tourist industry which is over 10% of our economy. 2 of the biggest 5 airlines in Europe are UK listed as is Europe's largest travel operator. She said how much you pay for your holiday really depends on how much influence Britain has in Europe.

There was also a point made by the boss of TUI about how being in the EU helps a lot when it comes to the security of holidaymakers as cooperation with other EU countries is vital in these situations.

Of course if you want to stay in this will all make sense and be a good point well made. If you want to leave then it of course scaremongering of the highest order. And I doubt anyone's views will have been changed by it in the slightest.

I don't understand why costs would rise. EU based airlines fly to non EU destinations every day and vice versa so it's not as if it's not already being done. A flight from Norway to Spain isn't more expensive than a flight from Sweden to Spain so why should it be more expensive for the UK?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I don't understand why costs would rise. EU based airlines fly to non EU destinations every day and vice versa so it's not as if it's not already being done. A flight from Norway to Spain isn't more expensive than a flight from Sweden to Spain so why should it be more expensive for the UK?

Can't you just accept what the boss of the airline says? That she knows what is best for her business - and what is best for her business is largely going to be driven by what her customers want. Of course you don't understand - you are not the boss of an airline.

And of course then there are the bosses of other major companies saying that things will be OK or even better if UK leaves - and Leave campaigners seem willing to accept their word for it without question?

 

[Hacker Khan]

I don't understand why costs would rise. EU based airlines fly to non EU destinations every day and vice versa so it's not as if it's not already being done. A flight from Norway to Spain isn't more expensive than a flight from Sweden to Spain so why should it be more expensive for the UK?

I am guessing she is looking at the whole of the airline industry and the costs associated with running one in the EU as opposed to one outside of the EU. Not individual fares on isolated routes. And airlines will only fly to routes if they are cost effective, and I imagine her argument is that whilst we are in EU it makes the routes the UK low cost and holiday carriers use a lot more cost effective.

 

[MegaSteve]

Business does quite a bit of 'posturing' to get its way...

Witness HSBC getting its way just now...
We'll never know whether they ever intended to leave...
But they'll see it as job done and most probably use similar tactics in the future..

A lot of businesses threatened to leave on the back of our failure to join the Eurozone...
Well, they stayed... A bluff called... And, a good job to...