EU Referendum

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

None of what you posted is "blindingly obvious"

The U.K. will still be united if the UK voted to leave the EU

Human rights etc legislation wouldn't be harmed

We might even have better benefits on fishery and agricultural due to not piling in massive amounts of money into EU and getting less out - so that money can be used for subsidiary's to those areas

Centralised thinking ?!! What the heck is that supposed to mean

Defence - well still part of NATO

Finance and Manufacturing we can think for ourselves

And open borders ?! I have to show my passport leaving and entering the UK anyway

So any actual "blindingly obvious" reasons ?

For the time being - but a Leave voter is without any doubt going to put the United bit of the UK at risk.

 

[SocketRocket]

For the time being - but a Leave voter is without any doubt going to put the United bit of the UK at risk.

Please explain why? Surely you are not still suggesting that the Scots will get all maudlin if they don't get their own way? Or should I say the way of the minority.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

For the time being - but a Leave voter is without any doubt going to put the United bit of the UK at risk.

Sorry but why ?

 

[Hobbit]

Sorry but why ?

Because the SNP have very cleverly turned it into its not good for Scotland, we'll have another referendum.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Because the SNP have very cleverly turned it into its not good for Scotland, we'll have another referendum.

But the SNP don't have that power though - it's up to the ruling government - I expect they can shout and scream as much as they want but can't see another referendum for 30-40 years maybe longer - had their chance and made their choice. Guess it's time for them to shut up about it.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I think they are just supporting the wishes of a large majority of their Scottish citizens to remain in the EU. Nothing clever about that.

 

[Hobbit]

But the SNP don't have that power though - it's up to the ruling government - I expect they can shout and scream as much as they want but can't see another referendum for 30-40 years maybe longer - had their chance and made their choice. Guess it's time for them to shut up about it.

i think the Cons will be happy to see another referendum and for Scotland to leave. Who would support the lame duck Labour Party, giving them half a chance of derailing Con policies if the SNP were no longer part of Westminister?

 

[ColchesterFC]

The more I hear from EU politicians saying that they want the UK to vote to stay in the more convinced I become that we should leave. I don't believe they want us to stay because it is good for us but more that it's good for them and they would have a large funding gap to fill if we left.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

i think the Cons will be happy to see another referendum and for Scotland to leave. Who would support the lame duck Labour Party, giving them half a chance of derailing Con policies if the SNP were no longer part of Westminister?

I have a sneaky idea that this is Cameron's end game, if it truly is he is playing a blinder.

 

[Foxholer]

The more I hear from EU politicians saying that they want the UK to vote to stay in the more convinced I become that we should leave. I don't believe they want us to stay because it is good for us but more that it's good for them and they would have a large funding gap to fill if we left.

ANY departure (even Greece's!) would diminish the 'collective' nature of the Union! UK's would be a considerable loss, not only for the financial contribution UK makes, significantly less 'Nett' than the 'Gross' figure UKIP stated in any case. but also because the 'we speak for the whole of the EU' statement would be diminished.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Net contribution in 2014 of £11.4 billion which is 4 times what it was in 2008. Think we could probably manage to spend that ourselves and put it to good use. Would reverse all of the cuts that are currently being and have already been implemented.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/31/britain-eu-contribution-rise-quadruple-cameron

 

[Hobbit]

Net contribution in 2014 of £11.4 billion which is 4 times what it was in 2008. Think we could probably manage to spend that ourselves and put it to good use. Would reverse all of the cuts that are currently being and have already been implemented.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/31/britain-eu-contribution-rise-quadruple-cameron

Apparently £8billion would cover the funding gap in the NHS. Imagine all the ills of the NHS covered in one hit!

 

[MegaSteve]

The obvious ones are keeping the UK united, human rights and trade union legislation.
Fringe benefits are fishery and agriculture funding.
Transport funding for lowly populated areas.

Believe the UK has a good record with regard 'human rights'...
Not perfect but suspect no country is with regard this...

Not sure what you mean with regard "trade union legislation"...

Folk I've spoken to when visiting Lowestoft, Great Yarmouth are less than complimentary about EU and fishing policy....
Friends in farming tell me the landed gentry hoover up about half of the EU agriculture subsidies... As if they haven't enough already....

Not sure about transport funding...
But a recent slot on Countryfile gave the impression it's of no help...

 

[Deleted member 1418]

Folk I've spoken to when visiting Lowestoft, Great Yarmouth are less than complimentary about EU and fishing policy.... QUOTE]

EU fishing policy is a joke, and as for EU funding for fisheries, the UK received roughly 243m euros for the period 2014-2020. Of that England and Scotland shared around 80% with Wales and NI sharing the rest. Interestingly Spain received just over 1bn euros, roughly 25% of the total EU fisheries funding. Given that, who do you think had the most inspections by EU auditors to ensure all the money was being spent correctly under the previous funding programme? If you think Spain you'd be wrong!

As I said in an earlier post, my jobs means I spend a lot of time in Brussels negotiating policy with the EU Commission and our European 'friends' in other Member States. Given my first-hand experiences ('simplification' is a word the Commission has no idea the meaning of) I'll be voting out.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Believe the UK has a good record with regard 'human rights'...
Not perfect but suspect no country is with regard this...

Not sure what you mean with regard "trade union legislation"...

Folk I've spoken to when visiting Lowestoft, Great Yarmouth are less than complimentary about EU and fishing policy....
Friends in farming tell me the landed gentry hoover up about half of the EU agriculture subsidies... As if they haven't enough already....

Not sure about transport funding...
But a recent slot on Countryfile gave the impression it's of no help...

My reply was regarding Scotland
Tories are watering down UK human rights and trades union legislation [a sop to the ukippers]
Scotland is already changing the way large sporting estates avoid paying land taxes. Most Scottish farms are small and the EU funding is a lifeline.
Scotland has historically lost out to rUK on EU fishing quotas, after much protest, that has been made fairer in recent years.

Transport was not about 'busses', more about EU grants to support better air, road and rail links. [A9, Borders railway, Skye bridge, third Forth bridge good examples.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Apparently £8billion would cover the funding gap in the NHS. Imagine all the ills of the NHS covered in one hit!

It's not all about money and immigration you know.

Yet more deflection and avoidance from the Leave camp yesterday.

Bosses of easyJet and Thompson/Tui give good positive benefits of EU membership: very much cheaper flights, wide selection of destination etc (easyJet); excellent coordination of security investigations etc such as following the Tunisia massacre (Thompson/Tui).

Leave say 'scaremongering'. Is that all Leave can say when benefits are highlighted? - it seems so.

 

[SocketRocket]

My reply was regarding Scotland
Tories are watering down UK human rights and trades union legislation [a sop to the ukippers]
Scotland is already changing the way large sporting estates avoid paying land taxes. Most Scottish farms are small and the EU funding is a lifeline.
Scotland has historically lost out to rUK on EU fishing quotas, after much protest, that has been made fairer in recent years.

Transport was not about 'busses', more about EU grants to support better air, road and rail links. [A9, Borders railway, Skye bridge, third Forth bridge good examples.

But the debate is about the UK staying or leaving the EU, not just Scotland. Try taking a Federal view and how the decision would affect the UK, for crying out loud it's not a England verses Scotland matter.

 

[MegaSteve]

My reply was regarding Scotland
Tories are watering down UK human rights and trades union legislation [a sop to the ukippers]
Scotland is already changing the way large sporting estates avoid paying land taxes. Most Scottish farms are small and the EU funding is a lifeline.
Scotland has historically lost out to rUK on EU fishing quotas, after much protest, that has been made fairer in recent years.

Transport was not about 'busses', more about EU grants to support better air, road and rail links. [A9, Borders railway, Skye bridge, third Forth bridge good examples.

Diminishing Trade Union 'rights' are at the top of Dave's shopping list of concessions from the EU and generally reckoned he'll get them...
So, as usual with the EU, of no help to the working man... As long as 'big business' is kept sweet....

And, you are not fussed that Europe is urinating on the UK fishing 'industry' as long as Scotland gets its 'fair share'...

 

[ColchesterFC]

It's not all about money and immigration you know.

Yet more deflection and avoidance from the Leave camp yesterday.

Bosses of easyJet and Thompson/Tui give good positive benefits of EU membership: very much cheaper flights, wide selection of destination etc (easyJet); excellent coordination of security investigations etc such as following the Tunisia massacre (Thompson/Tui).

Leave say 'scaremongering'. Is that all Leave can say when benefits are highlighted? - it seems so.

Why should flights be cheaper if we are in the EU as opposed to out? And why would the number of destinations be reduced? Surely the routes are already there as are the planes. Don't see why the price would rise dramatically after a leave vote.

Maybe it could be seen as a positive for the leave campaign as well. Less people flying abroad means less pollution from aircraft and more people holidaying at home would boost the UK economy as well.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Diminishing Trade Union 'rights' are at the top of Dave's shopping list of concessions from the EU and generally reckoned he'll get them...
So, as usual with the EU, of no help to the working man... As long as 'big business' is kept sweet....

And, you are not fussed that Europe is urinating on the UK fishing 'industry' as long as Scotland gets its 'fair share'...

I believe the fishing quota's are awarded to the country [UK] so it would be Westminster and not the EU doing the peeing. [after the EU has done the original peeing of course]:lol: