EU Referendum

[Foxholer]

Perhaps if the politicians on both sides had done their jobs, in this case explaining calmly and rationally what the pros and cons were, then the great unwashed would have come to a different conclusion. Instead the politicians chose to treat the great unwashed as stupid and then the politicians wonder why the great unwashed acted in a manner that the politicians consider is stupid…..

Hang on a bit! One side actually did 'do their job'!

To be fair to the Remain camp, it was a tougher ask to get their message across than the Brexit one. But they were pretty bad at getting their 'Brexit is dangerous' message across effectively! Replicating the Brexit tactic of making outrageous claims was, imo, a very bad move!

 

[Hacker Khan]

Does'nt matter what their personal beliefs are now. They should now be doing what's best for the UK. Talk the country up, not down.

Well it does if the beliefs are based on their expertise. As an expert in any field you just can't start saying the opposite to what you believe, as you will look foolish.

 

[ger147]

Well it does if the beliefs are based on their expertise. As an expert in any field you just can't start saying the opposite to what you believe, as you will look foolish.

Not very often you hear George Osborne being accused of being an expert.

 

[vkurup]

Well it does if the beliefs are based on their expertise. As an expert in any field you just can't start saying the opposite to what you believe, as you will look foolish.

To quote a famous brexetier... We have enough of the experts, what do they know. They could not predict the 2008 crash, so on your bike all of you. The British bulldog will not be talked down to.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Hang on a bit! One side actually did 'do their job'!

To be fair to the Remain camp, it was a tougher ask to get their message across than the Brexit one. But they were pretty bad at getting their 'Brexit is dangerous' message across effectively! Replicating the Brexit tactic of making outrageous claims was, imo, a very bad move!

So which side was that then?

 

[SocketRocket]

How do you put a positive vibe on the £ losing at least 10% of its value? Do you want him dancing around in a clown suit giggling?

By the way it helps people in the UK sell their products abroad for example. I don't want him 'dancing around in a clown suit giggling' and I don't need you putting words in my mouth. I expect him to explain what the issues facing the economy are and a positive outlook on what he proposes to do about it but not to harp on about how his predictions of Brexit are crystallizing

 

[Hacker Khan]

By the way it helps people in the UK sell their products abroad for example. I don't want him 'dancing around in a clown suit giggling' and I don't need you putting words in my mouth. I expect him to explain what the issues facing the economy are and a positive outlook on what he proposes to do about it but not to harp on about how his predictions of Brexit are crystallizing

So effectively leavers, who told us not to trust the experts, are now not happy as the experts seem to have of got the short term implications right??

 

[Foxholer]

... I expect him to explain what the issues facing the economy are and a positive outlook on what he proposes to do about it but not to harp on about how his predictions of Brexit are christening.

That's exactly what he has done!

He identified the Risks - before the referendum. When they 'crystalised', he stated what had happened (in general terms) and stated what action he had taken to manage them! He's not 'harping on' about anything - simply stating the cause for his/their action!

Absolutely what he should be doing!

It would be a political step to 'talk up (or down)' any Central Bank intervention - and that's definitely not his role!

 

[SocketRocket]

So effectively leavers, who told us not to trust the experts, are now not happy as the experts seem to have of got the short term implications right??

Most of us said there would be an initial cost for Brexit but thought it worth it for the long term gain. I certainly have said that a number of times. I was referring to Carney and not what he said but the way he said it.

 

[Hacker Khan]

I still blame the old people for ruining it for the baby boomers

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/...rting-to-sound-kind-of-bigoted-20160705110187

 

[Foxholer]

I still blame the old people for ruining it for the baby boomers

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/...rting-to-sound-kind-of-bigoted-20160705110187

I prefer this....

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/...ck-for-independence-day-sequel-20160627109887

 

[MarkE]

Well it does if the beliefs are based on their expertise. As an expert in any field you just can't start saying the opposite to what you believe, as you will look foolish.

So you believe it's alright for them to talk down the country? The two men who have biggest influence on the economy. They may be experts in their field, but that's not very smart is it?

 

[Foxholer]

So you believe it's alright for them to talk down the country? The two men who have biggest influence on the economy. They may be experts in their field, but that's not very smart is it?

Carney certainly isn't 'talking down the country' though!

 

[MarkE]

Carney certainly isn't 'talking down the country' though!

He's certainly not been in the least bit upbeat either.

 

[Foxholer]

He's certainly not been in the least bit upbeat either.

So 'not been in the least bit upbeat' means he's 'talking down the country'!

Perhaps you should this - which describes what his role is! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19871420

 

[MarkE]

So 'not been in the least bit upbeat' means he's 'talking down the country'!

Perhaps you should this - which describes what his role is! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19871420

Wow, thank's for that. I don't know what I'd do without people like you showing me the way.
Believe it or not, I am aware of Carney's role. Does'nt alter that he is the one standing in front of tv camera's looking downbeat, giving off negative vibes about the economy. If himself and Osbourne were to focus on positives, the markets and Sterling would at least have a chance of recovering.

 

[Val]

So you don't believe the public should ever have a referendum? Maybe the tories should'nt have promised one in their manifesto, thereby winning a majority at the general election.

Not a subject of this matter, many of Joe Public had very little knowledge of the fallout of a leave vote and voted because they don't like the Torries or they think there are too many immigrants. The public were far too ill informed for this sort of referendum IMO

 

[Val]

Perhaps if the politicians on both sides had done their jobs, in this case explaining calmly and rationally what the pros and cons were, then the great unwashed would have come to a different conclusion. Instead the politicians chose to treat the great unwashed as stupid and then the politicians wonder why the great unwashed acted in a manner that the politicians consider is stupid…..

I wouldn't quite call them the great unwashed but yes I agree

 

[Foxholer]

Wow, thank's for that. I don't know what I'd do without people like you showing me the way.
Believe it or not, I am aware of Carney's role. Does'nt alter that he is the one standing in front of tv camera's looking downbeat, giving off negative vibes about the economy. If himself and Osbourne were to focus on positives, the markets and Sterling would at least have a chance of recovering.

Virtually everything about the current economy IS negative! Hopefully, Sterling will recover - eventually! But if you thought there'd be no immediate downside of a Brexit result, then you were/are seriously deluded! And, as Socket' posted, there are 'advantages' to a lower pound for some areas of the economy!

Btw. Can you please spell the Chancellor's name correctly!!

 

[BubbaP]

Not a subject of this matter, many of Joe Public had very little knowledge of the fallout of a leave vote and voted because they don't like the Torries or they think there are too many immigrants. The public were far too ill informed for this sort of referendum IMO

Not following this. Weren't quite a few Tories vocal leavers, whereas Labour remain?
Also aren't Tories widely disliked in Scotland?