EU Referendum

[Oohmeoldbacksknackered]

At the end of the day that is what they were elected to do, wholeheartedly agree that Joe Public shouldnt have had this vote.

I absolutely disagree!!! (Note the ! - 3 must mean I'm really shouting with maybe some finger pointing thrown in for good luck)
The people in a democracy should always make the choice and then their paid employees, the politicians, work out the best way to action it.
Same in Scotland when they eventually vote for independence. Same in Northern Ireland if they want unification.
Similarly, if they vote for the status quo the politicians don't try and force through changes!!!

 

[Oohmeoldbacksknackered]

I disagree, we need someone to tell it like it is. Sorry if the facts don't suit the rose tinted brexit agenda.

What it is at the moment is exactly the same as it was before the referendum. There should be no reason to panic - if someone had turned around in 2006 and told everyone what was going to happen in 2008 there would have plenty of time to put things right before everything hit the fan.
It's not like the politicos would have run around like headless chickens and made everything 10 times worse.....

Oh, I think I see a flaw in the logic... 😲

 

[FairwayDodger]

On a slightly different note, the U.K. has always been independent. To suggest otherwise is an insult to the many countries who really had to fight for their independence. Many of them from us, incidentally.

 

[SocketRocket]

On a slightly different note, the U.K. has always been independent. To suggest otherwise is an insult to the many countries who really had to fight for their independence. Many of them from us, incidentally.

You are not an independent country when supreme law is not yours and when you have an unelected body external to your borders that are influencing and sometimes controlling your destiny. Loss of control of who can live in your country is also a loss of independence.

 

[FairwayDodger]

You are not an independent country when supreme law is not yours and when you have an unelected body external to your borders that are influencing and sometimes controlling your destiny. Loss of control of who can live in your country is also a loss of independence.

Sorry but this is just parroting ukip/farage hyperbole. We were in a democratic union with our European neighbours and, yes, we elected our representatives to it.

We democratically chose to join and now, sadly IMO, we have democratically chosen to leave. No need to persist with this "independence" claptrap.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

Sorry but this is just parroting ukip/farage hyperbole. We were in a democratic union with our European neighbours and, yes, we elected our representatives to it.

We democratically chose to join and now, sadly IMO, we have democratically chosen to leave. No need to persist with this "independence" claptrap.

*standing ovation*

 

[jp5]

I absolutely disagree!!! (Note the ! - 3 must mean I'm really shouting with maybe some finger pointing thrown in for good luck)
The people in a democracy should always make the choice and then their paid employees, the politicians, work out the best way to action it.

There's a reason that we have a representative democracy.

Wonder how a referendum on how much income tax we pay would go!

 

[Oohmeoldbacksknackered]

There's a reason that we have a representative democracy.

Wonder how a referendum on how much income tax we pay would go!

Nice point. But we didn't have a terrible economy before we happily joined the common market. It's the way its been changed, especially over the last 20 years which has upset people.

If you look at life before income tax I think most people will agree it's a modern necessity. But if we had a strong, modern thinking Labour Party there would be a very strong mandate to vastly reduce the tax burden on those same people that voted out of the EU (note that's not a vote out of Europe for all you teenagers).
Can't see that this generation of Labour MPs are remotely interested in that tho'
😉

 

[SocketRocket]

Sorry but this is just parroting ukip/farage hyperbole. We were in a democratic union with our European neighbours and, yes, we elected our representatives to it.

We democratically chose to join and now, sadly IMO, we have democratically chosen to leave. No need to persist with this "independence" claptrap.

So who's throwing the insults around now. Your post is typical of people who have a hatred of opposing views. Saying my view is claptrap is using the hyperbole you are accusing me and others of using. Try and win your argument with reasoned discussion, have I attacked your integrity anywhere in this debate?

Regarding our elected representatives, they cannot even propose laws and have no sway whatsoever, at least with our own UK parliament we have our elected representatives making the decisions and policy without being voted down by foreign cartels.

I won't be so crass to suggest your view to this as claptrap as I respect that you are entitled to it and free to voice it

 

[SocketRocket]

There's a reason that we have a representative democracy.

Wonder how a referendum on how much income tax we pay would go!

So it's unreasonable for Scotland to have a referendum on independence then? Should the decision on that be for Westminster to make?

 

[FairwayDodger]

Slating your opinion is not the same as besmirching your integrity.

Just, please, don't use the word "independence". I cringe every time I see it in this context and wonder what countries who struggled to free themselves from British oppression must make of our sad wee country now.

 

[FairwayDodger]

So it's unreasonable for Scotland to have a referendum on independence then? Should the decision on that be for Westminster to make?

Not that I'm in favour of Scottish independence, your analogy is a poor one. Comparable to suggesting that the EU should have decided whether the uk left or not.

 

[sawtooth]

Time to get a plan together not argue , what's done is done we are out, end of story.

Yep lets stop whinging and move forward.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Yep lets stop whinging and move backwards.

In time honoured tradition I have fixed that for you...

 

[MegaSteve]

There's a reason that we have a representative democracy.

Wonder how a referendum on how much income tax we pay would go!

Well, I wouldn't mind it being set at 10% of everything for everyone...

NO tax havens no hiding it under the bed etc etc...

We'd be in surplus every year no problem...

But, hey ho that ain't ever gonna happen...


My bad, keep forgetting, "we are in this together"...

Much of 'the great unwashed' voted the way they did because the penny has finally dropped...

'Representative democracy' has failed them...

 

[sawtooth]

In time honoured tradition I have fixed that for you...

In your opinion FD and you are in the minority who think that way.

The majority of the UK voted leave because they see a brighter future for the UK outside of the EU.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

In your opinion FD and you are in the minority who think that way.
A small majority of those who voted, voted leave because they see a brighter future for the UK outside of the EU.

Corrected that for you

 

[FairwayDodger]

In your opinion FD and you are in the minority who think that way.

The majority of the UK voted leave because they see a brighter future for the UK outside of the EU.

In fairness, it was a joke. I've said it before but my support for the eu was always more social and cultural than economic. I genuinely hope the majority have it right on the economics. But I do doubt it, I'm afraid, and the early evidence tends to support that. It is early days though and at some point I'm sure our government will get their heads out of the sand and start thinking about what to do about the mess they've got us into.

 

[MarkE]

Don't you watch the telly? Many people interviewed said those very things

But it's one thing admitting yourself that with limited information, you find it difficult to make a choice and being told by others (bitter remainers mainly) that you were too stupid to be trusted with a vote.

 

[jp5]

Much of 'the great unwashed' voted the way they did because the penny has finally dropped...

'Representative democracy' has failed them...

I agree that many people have been left behind in recent years / decades, and they've seen this vote as an opportunity to air their displeasure.

What was apparent in the Adrian Chiles programme the other night was how few of the issues raised will be solved by leaving the EU. And in fact may be made worse.