EU Referendum

[Hacker Khan]

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/...the-way-britains-handling-this-20160626109849

 

[FairwayDodger]

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ris-johnson-michael-gove-eu-liars?CMP=soc_567

Brilliant piece, nails it. And how depressing our new reality is.

 

[delc]

Have been off grid today golfing so haven't really kept up on details. As I understand it the pm and chancellor who initiated the referendum have either quit or are hiding, the leaders of the campaign to get us to leave have no plan for what happens next, and are only breaking cover intermittently to throw in some more lies and the official opposition have basically imploded.

Meanwhile the pound continues to tumble and general economic volatility continues.

Fair synopsis?

Is there any way we could forget that the whole ghastly referendum business ever happened?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So whilst driving back from work this morning two interesting reports on 5live

1. Boris Johnson has spoken about what he sees for the future - "no dramatic change except we would be under the rule of EU legislation" - nothing about trade or immigration or finance or NHS - so the only thing he wants to change is the laws that the EU have created to help the people's rights ( apparently those laws stop people getting jobs )

2. George Osbourne's speech - the government are the only people that can start Article 50 and that won't happen until a clear vision about what happens next and what trade is in place plus any deals etc - as the Labour MP on the Radio said "That could take decades and smells like a deal will be sought" and said its quite clear that the likes of Gove and Johnson really don't know what to do next and have nothing in place


It's just my opinion but I still believe that this time in 5 years time we will still be part of the EU but with a different deal and way of working - mainly with the way EU laws are implemented.

And this is sad to see

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...o-brexit-result-reported-in-england-and-wales

 

[Doon frae Troon]

We can all relax now, panic over.
Plan A is to do nothing for 4 months.
There still appears to be no Plan B

 

[Slab]

So whilst driving back from work this morning two interesting reports on 5live

1. Boris Johnson has spoken about what he sees for the future - "no dramatic change except we would be under the rule of EU legislation" - nothing about trade or immigration or finance or NHS - so the only thing he wants to change is the laws that the EU have created to help the people's rights ( apparently those laws stop people getting jobs )

2. George Osbourne's speech - the government are the only people that can start Article 50 and that won't happen until a clear vision about what happens next and what trade is in place plus any deals etc - as the Labour MP on the Radio said "That could take decades and smells like a deal will be sought" and said its quite clear that the likes of Gove and Johnson really don't know what to do next and have nothing in place


It's just my opinion but I still believe that this time in 5 years time we will still be part of the EU but with a different deal and way of working - mainly with the way EU laws are implemented.

Yup, maybe I'm just in denial but I just don't think it's (leave) going to happen. I don't think politicians were anywhere near ready for leave to actually win the referendum

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Well I have rolled up my sleeves and done my bit.
I have just filled up my half full heating oil tank before prices surge.

 

[MegaSteve]

Well I have rolled up my sleeves and done my bit.
I have just filled up my half full heating oil tank before prices surge.

That was an inevitability irrespective of what happened Thursday....

 

[MegaSteve]

Still lots of huffing and puffing amongst the political classes...

With the almost certain conclusion being... We go nowhere...

After all, there's not a great track record amongst any of them for listening...

 

[User62651]

Read somewhere that what Johnson/Gove really wanted was a 51/49 win for Remain, close enough to make Camerons authority shaky enough to get him out for a leadership contest for PM. They didn't think they could win and now they have they don't know what to do next, this seemed obvious from Johnsons mumbling low key speech the other day trying to appease all and failing. This has backfired on Bojo, Cameron and everyone else as the Bullingdon boys vie for the top job. Know a guy who used to work with Gove and he says absolutely that Gove wants to be PM, playing a crafty game that one, waiting for Boris to shoot himself in the foot.

As for Jezza, think it inappropriate timing that his shadow cabinet and Benn in particular (Red Tory who makes me cringe) have got stuck in already, he got a clear mandate not so long ago and despite never having voted Labour I think Corben is one of the very few politicians I believe tells the truth.

Politicans on all sides are not exactly improving their image to the public currently, its all opportunism and manouvering for self gain, rather than the country's gain it seems. I hope Corben sticks to his guns and tells that shadow cabinet rabble where to get off, done nothing wrong imo except be honest, he didn't call the referendum. Refreshingly normal honest human being Corben, particularly for a politician.

On top of this racism incidents across England reportedly on the rise.

All bad.

 

[Hacker Khan]

So whilst driving back from work this morning two interesting reports on 5live

1. Boris Johnson has spoken about what he sees for the future - "no dramatic change except we would be under the rule of EU legislation" - nothing about trade or immigration or finance or NHS - so the only thing he wants to change is the laws that the EU have created to help the people's rights ( apparently those laws stop people getting jobs )

2. George Osbourne's speech - the government are the only people that can start Article 50 and that won't happen until a clear vision about what happens next and what trade is in place plus any deals etc - as the Labour MP on the Radio said "That could take decades and smells like a deal will be sought" and said its quite clear that the likes of Gove and Johnson really don't know what to do next and have nothing in place


It's just my opinion but I still believe that this time in 5 years time we will still be part of the EU but with a different deal and way of working - mainly with the way EU laws are implemented.

And this is sad to see

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...o-brexit-result-reported-in-england-and-wales

He also said that he expects us to 'intensify our cooperation with the EU' now. As that is obviously how it works, you leave an institution using rhetoric that they were mostly uneleceted bureaucratic foreigners interfering with our British way of life, and then you expect to intensify co-operation with said organisation.

I think no matter how much 'sleeve rolling' occurs this is truly frightening. I said the other night, if the school I am chair of had such poor governance as this it would be placed into special measures. But these people are running our country which we have apparently got back from the EU, allegedly.

 

[Hacker Khan]

So whilst driving back from work this morning two interesting reports on 5live

1. Boris Johnson has spoken about what he sees for the future - "no dramatic change except we would be under the rule of EU legislation" - nothing about trade or immigration or finance or NHS - so the only thing he wants to change is the laws that the EU have created to help the people's rights ( apparently those laws stop people getting jobs )

2. George Osbourne's speech - the government are the only people that can start Article 50 and that won't happen until a clear vision about what happens next and what trade is in place plus any deals etc - as the Labour MP on the Radio said "That could take decades and smells like a deal will be sought" and said its quite clear that the likes of Gove and Johnson really don't know what to do next and have nothing in place


It's just my opinion but I still believe that this time in 5 years time we will still be part of the EU but with a different deal and way of working - mainly with the way EU laws are implemented.

And this is sad to see

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...o-brexit-result-reported-in-england-and-wales

Depressingly inevitable I think. Some people are just looking for an excuse to do this sort of crap.

 

[sawtooth]

A lot of speculation going on but what we know is that the majority of people voted out. Surely out must means out.

It would be un-democratic to either strike a new deal with the EU so that we remain on better terms or go for a second EU referendum. Both things are completely off the table.

Any discussion now should be about how and when we exit the EU not if we exit the EU.

There is no if , what is done is done.

 

[Hacker Khan]

A lot of speculation going on but what we know is that the majority of people voted out. Surely out must means out.

It would be un-democratic to either strike a new deal with the EU so that we remain on better terms or go for a second EU referendum. Both things are completely off the table.

Any discussion now should be about how and when we exit the EU not if we exit the EU.

There is no if , what is done is done.

Depends on what you class as a majority. More than voted the other way then yes. A sizeable proportion of the electorate then no. You can compare it to the Muirfield election to not allow women, in that case a majority by one definition voted yes to it but it did not pass.

But I agree the rules are the rules and technically we should just man up and reap what we sow to a certain extent.

 

[SocketRocket]

Nope, it's a joke. The way they work is that they make subtle points, mostly through comic exaggeration, on the ridiculousness of the situation through humour. Then people with no sense of humour who seem to get professionally offended (well some do at everything I post for some reason) take them seriously and get very angry on Internet forums. .

Of course the leavers are more than welcome to provide a bit of humour and levity to even things up. It's a free world. Unless we are no longer able to post jokes as some may find them offensive. Which if they do, top tip, don't look on the Internet, or read the papers, there is much worse out there. And another top tip, if I post a link to the Daily Mash then don't click on it as they do seem to get you all in a tizzy.

I understand what the Daily Mash is and how it uses sarcasm to put it's view out. Call it humour if it suits.

What offends me is not that but the link you used had 'Ageist' undertones and for me Ageism is no better than Racism as it is used to vilify groups of people in the community. Your link to it with no other comment, not even a smiley suggests to me you are in support of the message it gives.

Please dont' suggest that it's just a joke and not meant seriously, that would be more of an insult to your intelligence than mine.

 

[SocketRocket]

But we now have 350 million more a week to spend on the NHS and we can control immigration easily.

Not while we are still in the EU and paying our dues

 

[Dellboy]

Depends on what you class as a majority. More than voted the other way then yes.

Over 1.2 million more people wanted to leave so I would say that's a majority.

We have to now man up and press on and leave the EU, the sooner the better I say.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

Over 1.2 million more people wanted voted to leave so I would say that's a majority.

We have to now man up and press on and leave the EU, the sooner the better I say.

FTFY

Quite a few have already come out and noted they voted that way but didn't actually​ want to leave. Messr's Johnson and Gove share the feeling I believe.

 

[Hobbit]

FTFY

Quite a few have already come out and noted they voted that way but didn't actually​ want to leave. Messr's Johnson and Gove share the feeling I believe.

Anecdotal or fact?

But if we're now throwing in maybe's, I wonder how many people wanted to vote Leave but voted Remain at the last minute out of fear.

 

[SocketRocket]

FTFY

Quite a few have already come out and noted they voted that way but didn't actually​ want to leave. Messr's Johnson and Gove share the feeling I believe.

That is speculation with no numbers to back it, it's like saying a number who abstained may have voted to leave. All that mattered is what people did on the day the rest of this type of discussion is sour grapes and tittle tattle.