EU Referendum

[GB72]

For those reacting to the reaction from the remain side, look at the left wing reaction to the conservative majority. No desire there to live with what the country voted for. At the end of the day there will always be a reaction from the losing side. Me, I voted remain but am learning to live with it. Things will never be as bad nor as good as people think

 

[Papas1982]

The stats say Leave won, the stats say that the majority were X age group, and left school without having further education. The rascist stuff is coming elsewhere, not sure whether it is linked unless the stats point towards certain groups.
But seriously if Leave had not won we would have had this perpetual question being raised. Let's leave, give them what they want.
But I for one will keep my hands in my pockets - you'll see no help from me.
"What goes around comes around" I will try and make sure that my family is set up and they come first no longer will I have any empathy for the educationally challenged, it's low wages for you and no benefits. Social housing ? Nah forget it go and earn the money to raise the deposit. Hospitals yup I'll pay. Cornwall no chance - silly pasties!

Educationally challenged? Your comments are as narrow minded as those of the obvious racists.

I've many friends that would struggle with a cross word yet own nice cars, houses and have lovely holidays. Hard work goes a long way and jumped up ^#*{+\ who think they are somehow better than others due to a level of further education are as bad as any other prejudice group.

I I suggest you take a look around the next time you need someone's help, be it a plumber, mechanic or any other manual skill and ask yourself whether university got them to your door or other means.
Your opinions are exactly what led to the working class being in large supportive or Leave.

 

[Tiger man]

The stats say Leave won, the stats say that the majority were X age group, and left school without having further education. The rascist stuff is coming elsewhere, not sure whether it is linked unless the stats point towards certain groups.
But seriously if Leave had not won we would have had this perpetual question being raised. Let's leave, give them what they want.
But I for one will keep my hands in my pockets - you'll see no help from me.
"What goes around comes around" I will try and make sure that my family is set up and they come first no longer will I have any empathy for the educationally challenged, it's low wages for you and no benefits. Social housing ? Nah forget it go and earn the money to raise the deposit. Hospitals yup I'll pay. Cornwall no chance - silly pasties!

Wow, so you are saying from now on you will dodge taxes because we are not in the EU?

 

[Hobbit]

The stats say Leave won, the stats say that the majority were X age group, and left school without having further education. The rascist stuff is coming elsewhere, not sure whether it is linked unless the stats point towards certain groups.
But seriously if Leave had not won we would have had this perpetual question being raised. Let's leave, give them what they want.
But I for one will keep my hands in my pockets - you'll see no help from me.
"What goes around comes around" I will try and make sure that my family is set up and they come first no longer will I have any empathy for the educationally challenged, it's low wages for you and no benefits. Social housing ? Nah forget it go and earn the money to raise the deposit. Hospitals yup I'll pay. Cornwall no chance - silly pasties!

How petulant. Don't forget the foot stamp too.

 

[Old Skier]

Now Labour MP David Lammy saying that the will of the majority should be ignored. Should be sacked.

 

[Old Skier]

How petulant. Don't forget the foot stamp too.

Dont beat him at golf - if he plays - you'll get a nine iron around your swede.

 

[Slime]

No.

I'm not expecting an answer, but ...................why no?
What do you propose to do? Again, not expecting an answer.
You're priceless, you really are!

 

[harpo_72]

did you imply that tradesmen/ women are educationally challenged?? Blimey that's a pretty stupid comparison to draw, offensive as well.
Twist how you like, class how you will - but if you wanted to leave get your plan up an running. Oh and don't get upset with those of us who have one.
The stats have recorded the information- accept them like the result. Wear your classification with the same pride as your choice.
Let's see if you get what you want. It would be wrong of me to influence it positively or negatively even if I could!
I have just said I no longer look further than my family. Which is basically the same as any Tory voter over the last 40yrs.
Stamping my foot - not really just shaking my head in disbelief with a wry smile.

 

[harpo_72]

Educationally challenged? Your comments are as narrow minded as those of the obvious racists.

I've many friends that would struggle with a cross word yet own nice cars, houses and have lovely holidays. Hard work goes a long way and jumped up ^#*{+\ who think they are somehow better than others due to a level of further education are as bad as any other prejudice group.

I I suggest you take a look around the next time you need someone's help, be it a plumber, mechanic or any other manual skill and ask yourself whether university got them to your door or other means.
Your opinions are exactly what led to the working class being in large supportive or Leave.

The EU gave us the minimum wage - Dyson didn't agree with it and went some where it wasn't applied. Hope they keep it - or hard work will just be cheap labour. Pop that in your pipe and smoke it.

 

[Papas1982]

The EU gave us the minimum wage - Dyson didn't agree with it and went some where it wasn't applied. Hope they keep it - or hard work will just be cheap labour. Pop that in your pipe and smoke it.

Did they also give us the living wage now given to most people in the UK? Just because things came about whilst we've been part of the eu doesn't mean that they wouldn't of happened without them.

This constant desire to attribute anything good to the decision makers of the Eu is laughable.

Also. The trades i mentioned get paid considerably more than the minimum wage. Even when given mates rates.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Did they also give us the living wage now given to most people in the UK? Just because things came about whilst we've been part of the eu doesn't mean that they wouldn't of happened without them.

This constant desire to attribute anything good to the decision makers of the Eu is laughable.

Also. The trades i mentioned get paid considerably more than the minimum wage. Even when given mates rates.

Surely if its something that they have applied and implemented and its good then how can it be "laughable" - come on you got to show balance and dismissing any good that the EU did as laughable makes you no better than him.

Just look at how much the EU put into Wales , N Ireland , North of England and indeed Scotland - areas that the Tories ignored for decades and indeed suggestions of managed decline.

Its quite clear the EU did a lot of good for the UK - and its nothing but speculation to suggest that our own government would have done it - especially when you look at their past.

Whilst there are issues with the EU - there was also a lot of good with the EU - people have more rights because of the EU.

 

[SocketRocket]

The EU gave us the minimum wage - Dyson didn't agree with it and went some where it wasn't applied. Hope they keep it - or hard work will just be cheap labour. Pop that in your pipe and smoke it.

Balderdash, are you educationally challenged You really don't know what you are talking about. The minimum wage was introduced by the labour Government in 1999, it was nothing to do with EU regulations.

 

[drdel]

I wonder if any of the Forum's other members are disappointed with the way this thread has sunk into mindless bickering. We live in a Democracy and enjoy the benefits it give, on average and in general.

Any old teacher of mine frequently made the point "...empty vessels make most sound..."

I'd say there's an inverse correlation between the number of posts a member's made on this thread and the poster's constructive content.

 

[Imurg]

It's a good job this didn't happen during the winter......
Would have been utter carnage..

 

[SocketRocket]

We are still in Europe and always will be, we like our European neighbours, we like their countries and cultures and so it will remain. It's the EU we have rejected which is something entirely different. There has been enough silly mud slinging going on and it will change nothing. Let's make the best of where we are now for our future generations sake.
The decision is made, the real work is yet to begin but let's have a bit of faith in ourselves. We really can make a great future for this country with conviction, faith and goodwill.

 

[Hobbit]

I wonder if any of the Forum's other members are disappointed with the way this thread has sunk into mindless bickering. We live in a Democracy and enjoy the benefits it give, on average and in general.

Any old teacher of mine frequently made the point "...empty vessels make most sound..."

I'd say there's an inverse correlation between the number of posts a member's made on this thread and the poster's constructive content.

There's been some good stuff from some very passionate posters. And then there's those that have lapped up the political rhetoric and have spouted it on. The electorate absolutely needed honesty and guidance in what is one of the most important votes in a millennium, and they got what...

Andrew Neil did some great interviews with the top politicians from both sides. Where they waffled or spun stats he ripped them to shreds, the best one was on George Osbourne.

Irrespective of who voted for what, the vast majority of politicians from both sides are responsible for the outcome. Both sides let down the electorate in the worst way possible. Never mind the odd politician resigning his or her cabinet, or shadow cabinet, position. They should resign from politics for their disgraceful performance.

 

[Old Skier]

Just look at how much the EU put into Wales , N Ireland , North of England and indeed Scotland - areas that the Tories ignored for decades and indeed suggestions of managed decline.

The majority of funding that came from the EU had to be matched by whatever government was in power. So it's very hard to say that the Tory or Labour Government ignored any of the countries you mentioned.

 

[Papas1982]

Surely if its something that they have applied and implemented and its good then how can it be "laughable" - come on you got to show balance and dismissing any good that the EU did as laughable makes you no better than him.

Just look at how much the EU put into Wales , N Ireland , North of England and indeed Scotland - areas that the Tories ignored for decades and indeed suggestions of managed decline.

Its quite clear the EU did a lot of good for the UK - and its nothing but speculation to suggest that our own government would have done it - especially when you look at their past.

Whilst there are issues with the EU - there was also a lot of good with the EU - people have more rights because of the EU.

until recently there was a long period of power with labour in control so the Torres haven't been able to beglect the north for quite some time. In the last, yes they were bad and those grudges won't soon be forgotten for many reasons. And many of them legitimate.

For the record, I didn't say the emus contribution was laughable, I said to suggest it wouldn't of happened without them was. Just because the Eu implemented it. Doesn't prove it wouldn't of happened without it. Other forward thinking countries not part of the Eu also pay minimum wages.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_wages_by_country

quite a few of them not in Europe.

 

[sawtooth]

We are still in Europe and always will be, we like our European neighbours, we like their countries and cultures and so it will remain. It's the EU we have rejected which is something entirely different. There has been enough silly mud slinging going on and it will change nothing. Let's make the best of where we are now for our future generations sake.
The decision is made, the real work is yet to begin but let's have a bit of faith in ourselves. We really can make a great future for this country with conviction, faith and goodwill.

Well said.

Its worth reminding ourselves what David Cameron himself said about our chances of "survival" outside the EU.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6JsrxXhCEc

 

[harpo_72]

Did they also give us the living wage now given to most people in the UK? Just because things came about whilst we've been part of the eu doesn't mean that they wouldn't of happened without them.

This constant desire to attribute anything good to the decision makers of the Eu is laughable.

Also. The trades i mentioned get paid considerably more than the minimum wage. Even when given mates rates.

Really, why is anything positive about the EU not acceptable? I sense you are too far down the road to even contemplate that the EU was positive, you probably don't know that Winston Churchill wanted a unified Europe.
Enjoy your future I hope you get what you expect.
I hope I don't - I think we would have been better in. But I have rolled up my sleeves and I am getting on with it.
I have decided how I will vote in future and manifestos that will please me.
I am sure the trades will be fine at no point did I mention them. I was alluding to this group of people who live off benefits with no intention to work....