EU Referendum

[Papas1982]

Really, why is anything positive about the EU not acceptable? I sense you are too far down the road to even contemplate that the EU was positive, you probably don't know that Winston Churchill wanted a unified Europe.
Enjoy your future I hope you get what you expect.
I hope I don't - I think we would have been better in. But I have rolled up my sleeves and I am getting on with it.
I have decided how I will vote in future and manifestos that will please me.
I am sure the trades will be fine at no point did I mention them. I was alluding to this group of people who live off benefits with no intention to work....

if you read my post, I didn't say the Eu had no positive effect. Just that I believe it could have occurred without them. Re trade workers, I forget the term but it was aimed at those that hadn't studied further education. You didn't say benefit spongers. Which, for the record I fully hope get hit hard too.

Ive also said previously that my issues were none of the stereotypical expectations of leave voters (immigrants being the cause of all our woes).

I simply feel that as a country we contribute more than we need to for very little control. For all the talk of us changing it from within. Cameron went to them with a list of requirements and left with less than he started with.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

if you read my post, I didn't say the Eu had no positive effect. Just that I believe it could have occurred without them. Re trade workers, I forget the term but it was aimed at those that hadn't studied further education. You didn't say benefit spongers. Which, for the record I fully hope get hit hard too.

Ive also said previously that my issues were none of the stereotypical expectations of leave voters (immigrants being the cause of all our woes).

I simply feel that as a country we contribute more than we need to for very little control. For all the talk of us changing it from within. Cameron went to them with a list of requirements and left with less than he started with.

5 EU laws that the Government wanted to change or block but couldn't

Environment act in regards - emissions and pesticides , human and workers rights and animal rights - all areas that make our lives better yet the Government wanted them stopped changed or removed - so I'm sorry but that to me doesn't suggest our government would have looked after workers without the away

And very little control ? What exactly don't we control ?

http://indy100.independent.co.uk/ar...ped-stop-the-tories-from-passing--ZygyRM8GAEZ

 

[Hacker Khan]

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/...s-being-helped-across-the-road-20160626109835

 

[Papas1982]

5 EU laws that the Government wanted to change or block but couldn't

Environment act in regards - emissions and pesticides , human and workers rights and animal rights - all areas that make our lives better yet the Government wanted them stopped changed or removed - so I'm sorry but that to me doesn't suggest our government would have looked after workers without the away

And very little control ? What exactly don't we control ?

http://indy100.independent.co.uk/ar...ped-stop-the-tories-from-passing--ZygyRM8GAEZ

1 human rights. Wanting that bill scraped doesn't mean all the things on there would be under attack. They may have just wanted more scope for how criminals are treated. Of course they may have wanted to impose slavery, but guesses either way are speculation.

2. Greenhouse gases, for me personally I'm still more concerned about escalating fuel and energy bills than the life of bees. Especially when China's emissions are so out of hand.

3, much of 2 really. Whilst I acknowledge the need to try and help the environment. When considering a party or person to elect. It is well down on the criteria I judge against.

4, well I'm finding it hard to decide whether this is above 2 and 3 or below. Whilst I acknowledge that animals (destined for slaughter) have no need to be treated poorly. I certainly wouldn't withhold my vote for someone because hens were treated poorly.

5. I'm actually all for putting restrictions on unions. Unfortunately I didn't grow up during the thatcher days. So whilst I have read plenty and accept to a lot she is the devil. To me, unions now are more about how can we screw employers mist once we have the upper had. As opposed to in the past when they were simply trying to get their members a fair deal.

So so in answer to your question re what the Eu s done for us. Me personally not a lot as I'm not in a union, nor am I an animal or the environment.

re control. You've just listed 5 things the Eu stopped us doing. Whether I agree or disagree with any or all of them is irrelevant. But shows that they have control over at least those 5 things.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Never mind Plan B
Does any one have a scoobie about this government's Plan A

 

[SocketRocket]

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/...s-being-helped-across-the-road-20160626109835

Did you post that because:

a) It portrays what you really believe but you don't have the goolies to say it.
b) It's a light hearted dig at old people who have no right to opinions on politics as they have all had easy and greedy lives.
c) Using satire is a convenient method to insult at arms length.
d) anyone who finds it offensive can be accused of having no sense of humour.
e) I'm sarcastic and shallow but it makes me look as though I have an advanced intellect.

 

[User20205]

F) it's a light hearted, satirical look at the last few days. I believe it mocks all equally, except maybe the Romanian fella.


It's a joke Jeff !!!!

 

[Liverbirdie]

Havent been on this thread, can someone do a summing up for me........

 

[User20205]

Havent been on this thread, can someone do a summing up for me........

Usual format. 2 lots of 'experts' disagree, Phil starts googling stuff & fish threatens violence. Standard

 

[Hobbit]

Never mind Plan B
Does any one have a scoobie about this government's Plan A

Plan A is obvious. Resign in a huff and let some other poor mug pick up the pieces.

Labour's plan is to force Corbyn's resignation, and get a good man in who can take advantage of the Tories petty power plays. Unfortunately, Corbyn still thinks he's the new Messiah, and intends to part the waters on his own whilst wearing his jockies outside his trousers.

 

[SocketRocket]

F) it's a light hearted, satirical look at the last few days. I believe it mocks all equally, except maybe the Romanian fella.


It's a joke Jeff !!!!

probably d) then.

Or:

G) It's not a joke, it portrays the way many are suggesting Older people are unworthy to have a vote and have ruined the lives of the young. Passing it off as a joke is a joke.

 

[MegaSteve]

Corbyn still thinks he's the new Messiah, and intends to part the waters on his own whilst wearing his jockies outside his trousers.

That put a picture in my head I didn't really need...

 

[User20205]

probably d) then.

Or:

G) It's not a joke, it portrays the way many are suggesting Older people are unworthy to have a vote and have ruined the lives of the young. Passing it off as a joke is a joke.

We're past that stage now. Consider us a metaphorical incontinence pant. Here to help you with the mess you've created :thup:

 

[MegaSteve]

Wish folk would start googling worthwhile relevant stuff...

Start with Juncker...

And then ask yourself do you trust your future in this persons hands...

 

[SocketRocket]

We're past that stage now. Consider us a metaphorical incontinence pant. Here to help you with the mess you've created :thup:

In that case i'll big up on the prunes.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Have been off grid today golfing so haven't really kept up on details. As I understand it the pm and chancellor who initiated the referendum have either quit or are hiding, the leaders of the campaign to get us to leave have no plan for what happens next, and are only breaking cover intermittently to throw in some more lies and the official opposition have basically imploded.

Meanwhile the pound continues to tumble and general economic volatility continues.

Fair synopsis?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Have been off grid today golfing so haven't really kept up on details. As I understand it the pm and chancellor who initiated the referendum have either quit or are hiding, the leaders of the campaign to get us to leave have no plan for what happens next, and are only breaking cover intermittently to throw in some more lies and the official opposition have basically imploded.

Meanwhile the pound continues to tumble and general economic volatility continues.

Fair synopsis?

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ris-johnson-michael-gove-eu-liars?CMP=soc_567

 

[Hacker Khan]

Have been off grid today golfing so haven't really kept up on details. As I understand it the pm and chancellor who initiated the referendum have either quit or are hiding, the leaders of the campaign to get us to leave have no plan for what happens next, and are only breaking cover intermittently to throw in some more lies and the official opposition have basically imploded.

Meanwhile the pound continues to tumble and general economic volatility continues.

Fair synopsis?

But we now have 350 million more a week to spend on the NHS and we can control immigration easily.

 

[Hacker Khan]

probably d) then.

Or:

G) It's not a joke, it portrays the way many are suggesting Older people are unworthy to have a vote and have ruined the lives of the young. Passing it off as a joke is a joke.

Nope, it's a joke. The way they work is that they make subtle points, mostly through comic exaggeration, on the ridiculousness of the situation through humour. Then people with no sense of humour who seem to get professionally offended (well some do at everything I post for some reason) take them seriously and get very angry on Internet forums. .

Of course the leavers are more than welcome to provide a bit of humour and levity to even things up. It's a free world. Unless we are no longer able to post jokes as some may find them offensive. Which if they do, top tip, don't look on the Internet, or read the papers, there is much worse out there. And another top tip, if I post a link to the Daily Mash then don't click on it as they do seem to get you all in a tizzy.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Did you post that because:

a) It portrays what you really believe but you don't have the goolies to say it.
b) It's a light hearted dig at old people who have no right to opinions on politics as they have all had easy and greedy lives.
c) Using satire is a convenient method to insult at arms length.
d) anyone who finds it offensive can be accused of having no sense of humour.
e) I'm sarcastic and shallow but it makes me look as though I have an advanced intellect.

All 5. Especially e, in fact I like that so much I'll put that one on my CV and LinkedIn page. Cheers.