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I'd agree with that. But I'd also say that one thing that is drilled into you at university is to examine any subject from both sides and look and use fact based conclusions that stand up to scrutiny and questioning. So that is why university students may think they have come to a logical fact based conclusion on which way to vote. And non university educated people did not and relied more on other reasons.

I would not dare endorse or condem that opinion, just saying that is one possible reason.;)

I take that on board. I still think some of the students will have struggled to study the subject fully, done their degrees, worked part time and enjoyed themselves in the evenings. What with their schedules so busy a large portion couldn't make it to the polls.

I I think it's human that if you have an opinion, no matter how much you read to the counter, your less likely to change it. A subject of study where an answer needs to be deduced is entirely different to cross examining something you believe.
 

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Reports in the on line Torygraph is that America, Canada and Germany have expressed a wish to negotiate free trade deals with the U.K. (Not sure if Scotland would be included as the Scotish Government seem to think they can crack on on their own)
 

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Reports in the on line Torygraph is that America, Canada and Germany have expressed a wish to negotiate free trade deals with the U.K. (Not sure if Scotland would be included as the Scotish Government seem to think they can crack on on their own)

Interesting. Especially as the bbc have been reporting all morning that the USA have confirmed the "back of the queue" warning. Both could be true, I guess, just how you spin it.
 

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Interesting. Especially as the bbc have been reporting all morning that the USA have confirmed the "back of the queue" warning. Both could be true, I guess, just how you spin it.
Torygraph so it may be hype but as the Leader of the Confederation of German Industry was saying the same thing last week it might be true. We shall see.
 

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I think you just have to look at who exports to us in any volume as they will want free trade agreements to stop the imposition of tarrifs on their goods. Bit of quid pro quo. None of the European economies are strong enough to ditch a profitable market.
 

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Brussels also want UK to start Clause 50 asap........why should Boris/Nigel/George and Co. wish any delay?

Because it's not up to them.
It's up to the Government and at the moment that has a lame duck leader who wants nothing to do with it.
The moment Article 50 is invoked the clock starts ticking.
Why start it when we're not in a position to start the negotiations..?
EU can't invoke it for us - they have to wait until we're ready.
In theory we could never invoke it...........
 

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In our interests to stall a bit to allow it to sink in and not curtail to the EU sabre rattling. They want to appear stern to stop others getting the same idea. All it takes is a few other nations to set up trade deals with us and each other and the benefits of EU membership seem less appealing especially if any more bail outs appear likely
 

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When the team lose their jobs, I shall print this out and give them and tell them to grow a pair .. I will leave your name in so they know the source.

It's tough at the top, always has been. Why don't you see how things pan out before spreading doom and gloom.
 
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It's tough at the top, always has been. Why don't you see how things pan out before spreading doom and gloom.

We are all watching how it pans out. Been on way too many calls to see how we protect and prepare but at the same time we get real news that impact us directly eg. Moody's downgrade. We predicted it would happen and when i mentioned it a million posts ago the Leavers laughed at it.

As you said it is tough at the top but we try and take the bottom with us. Unlike what you said previously, it is easier for some of us to choose flight rather than fight.

In the long run things will be different and you can tell your grandkids how your vote helped make the difference. It is the short and medium term and the impact on jobs that I worry about. I have no issues with people who took an informed decision to Leave - it is a democracy and you make a choice. I have an issue with people who voted Leave 'without meaning it' or because 'anyway Remain would win'. I know a few in that category and all of them are regretting it.
 

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Because it's not up to them.
It's up to the Government and at the moment that has a lame duck leader who wants nothing to do with it.
The moment Article 50 is invoked the clock starts ticking.
Why start it when we're not in a position to start the negotiations..?
EU can't invoke it for us - they have to wait until we're ready.
In theory we could never invoke it...........


Did Cameron not state he would give immediate support to whatever side of the Tory party won.
 

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No bad thing as it will almost certainly involve TPP...
Erosion to 'workers rights'... NO thank you!

Obama is no different to other politicians...
Just a servant of 'big business'...

You don't think workers rights will be under threat with a Tory government, led (most likely) by their far right element?!
 

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You don't think workers rights will be under threat with a Tory government, led (most likely) by their far right element?!

Why would you think that ?

It came out in the Andrew Neil interview with Hilary Been that most of the worker rights enacted in recent years are far more generous than required under the EU directives
 

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You don't think workers rights will be under threat with a Tory government, led (most likely) by their far right element?!

Of course they will be...

But, the EU was already well on the way for signing us up for TPP without us having any say in it whatsoever...

What I am saying is, the much vaunted trade deal with the US isn't all that it's cracked up to be...

Government needs to be for the people every bit as much as it is for big business...
Personally I feel people should be put first...
 
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