EU Referendum

[bluewolf]

How about a discussion about Article 50?

I had a very quick read of it last night. In all honesty, it seems more of a blockade than a route out. If I'm right (and it was a very quick read), then there will be no agreement on our exit until all remaining member states agree on the negotiated deal. From what I've read, this could take 5-10 years!!!

 

[Imurg]

How about a discussion about Article 50?

I had a very quick read of it last night. In all honesty, it seems more of a blockade than a route out. If I'm right (and it was a very quick read), then there will be no agreement on our exit until all remaining member states agree on the negotiated deal. From what I've read, this could take 5-10 years!!!

Exactly.
Apparently it's a very vaguely worded document, probably on the grounds that they thought nobody would ever use it.
Greenland did
55k population, one product/industry and it took 2 years.......

 

[BubbaP]

Out of interest, how many of the 27 EU countries are not in the Eurozone?

 

[Hobbit]

Cameron had no chance of getting a strong deal with the EU. It was partly the EU 's response that has caused the current situation. Back then, they didn't take it seriously. Well, that was a mistake. It wasn't Cameron fault, but if the EU had given him anything to use, rather than sending him home with his tail between his legs, maybe, just maybe, the vote would have been different.

Certainly wasn't joined up thinking by the EU.

"Um, the UK are thinking of leaving. Um, they are one of our biggest cash cows. Um, the biggest issue appears to be immigration, which we are having problems with anyway. Um, what will take away one of the biggest gripes? Um, the Schengen agreement doesn't fit the current model. Let's offer firm immigration rules and a review of who get's what."

"Oh look, they want to stay."

Never mind, its done now.

 

[Fish]

Please take it in the context it was meant - exactly like Bluewolf says - if the current attitude and reaction is a marker same with this thread then yes as United Kingdom with have no hope of getting it to work.

But you were happy to put up pictures of NF and HK referred to Nazis as murderers in response to my post, which they were, but when you have Corbyn in cohoots with those 2 murderers looking for SF votes, what's the difference.!

And don't go googling for some smart arsed response because you don't have anything you can think of yourself, I'd rather you just didn't respond to my posts and ignored them or I'll save my reply and deliver it personally next time we meet!

 

[Fish]

How about a discussion about Article 50?

I had a very quick read of it last night. In all honesty, it seems more of a blockade than a route out. If I'm right (and it was a very quick read), then there will be no agreement on our exit until all remaining member states agree on the negotiated deal. From what I've read, this could take 5-10 years!!!

But there pushing for a quick exit and by all accounts want to try and punish us ASAP, what they can do I don't know, if we're out, were out!

 

[SocketRocket]

How about a discussion about Article 50?

I had a very quick read of it last night. In all honesty, it seems more of a blockade than a route out. If I'm right (and it was a very quick read), then there will be no agreement on our exit until all remaining member states agree on the negotiated deal. From what I've read, this could take 5-10 years!!!

I think we should ignore their calls for us to set it in place quickly. They must understand the procedure required to get a new prime minister selected.

I would suggest that if it seems like taking more than a year then we should consider cutting it short and withdrawing on our own terms. We should have learned by now that to negotiate with the EU needs some form of brinkmanship, not the limp wristed style Cameron used recently.

 

[SocketRocket]

But you were happy to put up pictures of NF and HK referred to Nazis as murderers in response to my post, which they were, but when you have Corbyn in cohoots with those 2 murderers looking for SF votes, what's the difference.!

And don't go googling for some smart arsed response because you don't have anything you can think of yourself, I'd rather you just didn't respond to my posts and ignored them or I'll save my reply and deliver it personally next time we meet!

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[MegaSteve]

But there pushing for a quick exit and by all accounts want to try and punish us ASAP, what they can do I don't know, if we're out, were out!

Ms Merkel is saying otherwise...
And, what Angela wants Angela normally gets...

 

[Fish]

I think we should ignore their calls for us to set it in place quickly. They must understand the procedure required to get a new prime minister selected.

I would suggest that if it seems like taking more than a year then we should consider cutting it short and withdrawing on our own terms. We should have learned by now that to negotiate with the EU needs some form of brinkmanship, not the limp wristed style Cameron used recently.

But what if May throws her hat into the PM role and she was firmly in the remain camp and without article 50 being put in motion she could revert everything, well that's what I've read could happen as the referendum isn't binding until A50 is applied?!

 

[Old Skier]

Ms Merkel is saying otherwise...
And, what Angela wants Angela normally gets...

Persackly, the main German mouth pieces are starting to talk a very different game.

 

[SocketRocket]

Cameron had no chance of getting a strong deal with the EU. It was partly the EU 's response that has caused the current situation. Back then, they didn't take it seriously. Well, that was a mistake. It wasn't Cameron fault, but if the EU had given him anything to use, rather than sending him home with his tail between his legs, maybe, just maybe, the vote would have been different.

But I think it was his fault. He started off telling us that he would demand real changes but didnt even ask for them. He just asked for what he though they might give him and didnt even get that. He should have said 'These are the things the UK people want from the relationship and if you cant come close to meeting them then I will support the UK leaving'.

 

[Fish]

Persackly, the main German mouth pieces are starting to talk a very different game.

So that's a good thing, yes? Accepting our democratic decision and looking for common ground and new trading agreements, there was always going to be some posturing at first, but as it all settles down then they must all certainly start to think and know they can't afford to flex their muscles at us, surely we hold enough aces of our own🤔

 

[Deleted member 15344]

But you were happy to put up pictures of NF and HK referred to Nazis as murderers in response to my post, which they were, but when you have Corbyn in cohoots with those 2 murderers looking for SF votes, what's the difference.!

And don't go googling for some smart arsed response because you don't have anything you can think of yourself, I'd rather you just didn't respond to my posts and ignored them or I'll save my reply and deliver it personally next time we meet!

Why are you threatening me Fish ? That's after throwing insults towards Doon and being agressive towards him - there is no need at all

The picture was relevant because it's in response to the EU Referendum vote - bringing Corbyn speak to those two has zero to do with the EU referendum

 

[vkurup]

How about a discussion about Article 50?

I had a very quick read of it last night. In all honesty, it seems more of a blockade than a route out. If I'm right (and it was a very quick read), then there will be no agreement on our exit until all remaining member states agree on the negotiated deal. From what I've read, this could take 5-10 years!!!

As I hear and understand.. all 27 have to agree WITHIN the 2 yr window. If you don't get an agreement in that timeframe then you are automatically out WITHOUT a deal. Then you start negotiating as an regular outsider.. say how a Saudi Arabia, Malaysia or India would negotiate with the EU block

 

[Old Skier]

As I hear and understand.. all 27 have to agree WITHIN the 2 yr window. If you don't get an agreement in that timeframe then you are automatically out WITHOUT a deal. Then you start negotiating as an regular outsider.. say how a Saudi Arabia, Malaysia or India would negotiate with the EU block

Yep you can just imagine it:

Romania - No we don't agree to any trade agreement.
Germany - Wind your neck in.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

How about a discussion about Article 50?

I had a very quick read of it last night. In all honesty, it seems more of a blockade than a route out. If I'm right (and it was a very quick read), then there will be no agreement on our exit until all remaining member states agree on the negotiated deal. From what I've read, this could take 5-10 years!!!

I still think a deal with the EU will be brokered before then and Uk will remain in the EU - there is so much negotiating with so many business involved and trade that it could take ages - I think it took the Swiss 9 years to negotiate some sort of deal with the EU -

 

[Imurg]

But what if May throws her hat into the PM role and she was firmly in the remain camp and without article 50 being put in motion she could revert everything, well that's what I've read could happen as the referendum isn't binding until A50 is applied?!

And that could the GetoutofJailFree card...
Cameron won't invoke A50 - he's made that clear
So it's up to the new PM - with the level of disquiet from all sides about the outcome of the vote, a new PM doing a U turn could gain a lot of support from unexpected quarters
May just could be that person. And with Labour beginning the infighting it's almost a guaranteed vote winner...
Watch this space..

 

[bluewolf]

I still think a deal with the EU will be brokered before then and Uk will remain in the EU - there is so much negotiating with so many business involved and trade that it could take ages - I think it took the Swiss 9 years to negotiate some sort of deal with the EU -

I also feel that we'll end up staying in.. I don't think that the majority of the population actually want "OUT". I was speaking to staunch Leave voters last night in work.. Almost all of them were feeling some level of regret about the vote.. I can't really put my finger on why as they all appeared to have different reasons.. It's been such a strange few days...

I'm more than comfortable with my vote and my opinions. However, if we do actually leave, then I genuinely hope that I'm wrong.. I'd love for us to become a truly independent economic powerhouse.. I'd love for us to evolve our economic policies to be more equitable and fair. I'd love it if the Union progressed together to become stronger and fairer...

 

[bluewolf]

And with Labour beginning the infighting it's almost a guaranteed vote winner...
Watch this space..

Labour could quite easily turn this situation into a vote winner.. A brief Leadership fight, followed by the appointment of a real political heavyweight as leader.. If the Tories turn this into a 3 or 4 way fight then Labour could quite easily gain ground..