EU Referendum

[IanG]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying, but from what I've read we have no say in the exit negotiations. The terms of us leaving are decided upon by the other 27 nations, and we are still governed by EU law for at least 2 years with no say in them whatsoever.

I realise we will have fresh negotiations trying to replace the deals we will be losing, and I really think this can work but we must have a strong prime minister and negotiators.

My understanding is that once we announce we are leaving, under article 50 we have a two year period during which we would make any arrangements deals etc that we could. At the end of the two years period we exit the EU with whatever has been agreed by then and nothing else. There is no compulsion on any EU country to strike any deal with us on anything, but self interest would suggest there would be some deals struck in some areas. Of course the EU can probably extend the two year period if both parties wanted it.

Much water and twists and turns under the bridge to come before this plays out finally. My contention is that at the end of it all we'll still be in the EU - maybe after another referendum.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

they are just born into this generation. There's nothing to show that any other generation would have acted differently if it had been "their time".

Out of curiosity. What age range falls into this bracket? Because I'd gauge 30-50? Then there's all the old racists that are to blame for being narrow. Indeed and voting out too.

So so what are we meant to do. Leave the country to the 20 somethings?

Actually the "baby boomers" are the group you have referred to as "old racists" (I have avoided that term). They are those born in the generation following WW2, so I would estimate at 50-70. The generation that has benefited the most. I'm not saying that any other generation would have acted differently, but can still criticise if IMO they are again acting selfishly, to the detriment of my, and future generations.

 

[Hobbit]

When all is said and done and the dust is settled it's just something else for my generation to pick up the pieces from. Hopefully the legacy we leave will be far better than what we inherit from the boomers.

Not content with irreversible damage to the environment, taking advantage of cheap housing for personal greed, social mobility, free education and golden pensions, risking more than they could afford to lose and bankrupting the country, the baby boomers had to have one last dig to keep us down.

'Broken Britain' that they so like to claim is ironically down to them and the greed of their generation. Not the immigrants or the EU that they've tried to deflect the blame to.

23% of 18yr olds voted out, and its not until the demographic reaches 43yrs old do you see a 50/50 split. However, that doesn't take into account the regional differences. Typically, a 43 yr old still has another 30+yrs to live, and something like another 25yrs to work. There are 27 million voters over 45, and 32 million voters between 18 and 45.

Have you got any more media led rubbish you want to share?

#Remainvoter

 

[mikevet]

Oh dear - pound already dropping , markets being affected - let's hope all those financial experts are wrong

The younger people in the country voting to stay - older people ( 60 upwards ) voting to leave. The nation totally split in half. Some people will be celebrating - let's hope they wait until all those promises are delivered because they need to deliver now

As an 'older people' I take issue with this sort of generalisation - I'm 66 and I voted REMAIN as, on balance, I felt it would make things more secure for my children and grand-children. OK, I was a leaver until a week or so ago, but I changed my mind after some careful thought and I was impressed by David Cameron on the Question Time programme, as he argued beyond the narrow confines of the Remain argument (Unlike the Leave proponents, who just seemed to go round and round their repeated mantras). I don't see why he should be expected to resign as PM as he has delivered on his manifesto promise, but the decision is his to make.

Like many others, I am disappointed, but we now need to pull together to make the best of things and look forwards. I am, however, somewhat disappointed at the attitudes of some older voters on TV today, who obviously didn't think beyond their own narrow-mindedness and just trotted out the old fallacies about immigrants taking our jobs and benefits and Europe never providing anything good to the UK....

 

[Hacker Khan]

Latest statement from Boris just released.

 

[Hobbit]

As an 'older people' I take issue with this sort of generalisation - I'm 66 and I voted REMAIN as, on balance, I felt it would make things more secure for my children and grand-children. OK, I was a leaver until a week or so ago, but I changed my mind after some careful thought and I was impressed by David Cameron on the Question Time programme, as he argued beyond the narrow confines of the Remain argument (Unlike the Leave proponents, who just seemed to go round and round their repeated mantras). I don't see why he should be expected to resign as PM as he has delivered on his manifesto promise, but the decision is his to make.

Like many others, I am disappointed, but we now need to pull together to make the best of things and look forwards. I am, however, somewhat disappointed at the attitudes of some older voters on TV today, who obviously didn't think beyond their own narrow-mindedness and just trotted out the old fallacies about immigrants taking our jobs and benefits and Europe never providing anything good to the UK....

I'm not far behind you in age, and in the reasons I voted to Remain.

I applaud you in your call to pull together. Alternatively, we could go through the bile that was spouted by some in Scotland, post indy ref.

 

[Hacker Khan]

And a more serious one from 'the kids' at an education festival. Hope the coffin dodgers are feeling proud of themselves

 

[GB72]

I still believe that this is not over yet and a second referendum will come about for all the wrong reasons.
There are too many other countries in Europe with opposition parties breathing down the necks of those in power and calling for their own exit vote. The fact that we have actually voted out will add more fuel to that fire and those currently in power will be running scared. Self preservation is an ugly trait in most politicians and I can see a revised deal being put on the table once the current round of EU sabre rattling has ended. The deal will include controls on immigration and the payment of benefits.
The problem that the EU has always had is that it preaches about increased unity and integration then the member states to a man vote for self interest over what is good for Europe as a whole.
This whole saga is a long way from over yet.

 

[TheDiablo]

23% of 18yr olds voted out, and its not until the demographic reaches 43yrs old do you see a 50/50 split. However, that doesn't take into account the regional differences. Typically, a 43 yr old still has another 30+yrs to live, and something like another 25yrs to work. There are 27 million voters over 45, and 32 million voters between 18 and 45.

Have you got any more media led rubbish you want to share?

#Remainvoter

I have no idea what point your post is trying to make, or what statements in my post you are trying to refute? If anything the stats you produce highlight the fact that it is predominantly the older vote that have taken us out of the EU.

#Remainvoter

 

[Deleted member 18588]

And a more serious one from 'the kids' at an education festival. Hope the coffin dodgers are feeling proud of themselves

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Better "the tyranny of the majority" than being subject to the wishes and wants of the minority, whatever their age and that from a disappointed Remainer who is concerned for his grandchildren.

Democracy may not be perfect but it sure beats any alternative we have ever seen.

 

[Hobbit]

I have no idea what point your post is trying to make, or what statements in my post you are trying to refute? If anything the stats you produce highlight the fact that it is predominantly the older vote that have taken us out of the EU.

#Remainvoter

50% of the voting population are below 45 yrs old.

"Irreversible damage to the environment..." get a grip. Go and talk to the Chinese, the Indians or the US if you have a problem with the environment. Social mobility, cheap housing... maybe if you were a baby boomer you'd know what it was like. Hardly a car in the road, yet so many have two now. A week in a caravan, and now its two weeks in Spain or Florida. A rented TV, and now its 2 or 3 including what can be found in the kids room.

I've watched docks gates open and most coming out on bikes. I've seen 12 buses lined up at ICI gates, the same at British Steel. And I remember when the working week was 48 hours and then the required overtime, not optional. Easy life...you haven't a clue. And that pension some of them have they've worked damned hard for.

I might not agree with the OUT vote but I respect it, and the democracy that is behind it. There's been lots of talk of racism, but it appears ageism is ok.

 

[chrisd]

Actually the "baby boomers" are the group you have referred to as "old racists" (I have avoided that term). They are those born in the generation following WW2, so I would estimate at 50-70. The generation that has benefited the most. I'm not saying that any other generation would have acted differently, but can still criticise if IMO they are again acting selfishly, to the detriment of my, and future generations.

You'll say thanks if you find they've actually done you a big favour??

 

[Deleted member 18588]

When all is said and done and the dust is settled it's just something else for my generation to pick up the pieces from. Hopefully the legacy we leave will be far better than what we inherit from the boomers.

Not content with irreversible damage to the environment, taking advantage of cheap housing for personal greed, social mobility, free education and golden pensions, risking more than they could afford to lose and bankrupting the country, the baby boomers had to have one last dig to keep us down.

'Broken Britain' that they so like to claim is ironically down to them and the greed of their generation. Not the immigrants or the EU that they've tried to deflect the blame to.

Before entering into a rant like that you really should check your facts.

The baby-boomers suffered an austere childhood in the fifties, rampant inflation in the seventies, interest rates of 15% on mortgages in the late eighties and the vast majority did not benefit from final salary pensions.

But if your pre-conceived ideas make you feel better about yourself , fine!

#Remainvoter

 

[Deleted member 18645]

So we now need to have a voting system where each person's opinion is skewed depending on how old/young they are? What a complete pile of blollocks.

 

[Old Skier]

You're asking the wrong person, I've long been more anti-Welsh than anti-English

A true Scot - ends up anti everything in the end

 

[FairwayDodger]

A true Scot - ends up anti everything in the end

I'm really not very anti, in fairness. Just had a bad relationship with a Welsh burd.

 

[chrisd]

Before entering into a rant like that you really should check your facts.

The baby-boomers suffered an austere childhood in the fifties, rampant inflation in the seventies, interest rates of 15% on mortgages in the late eighties and the vast majority did not benefit from final salary pensions.

But if your pre-conceived ideas make you feel better about yourself , fine!

#Remainvoter

We really can't let the facts get in the way of a good rant!

 

[Old Skier]

Takes the biscuit when I read that golfers are blaming the boomers for all the problems in the environment. Suggest those with these concerns should give up. I presume they get to the course in their car as well.

 

[Old Skier]

Latest statement from Boris just released.

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You realise there are some on here that believe everything they read :lol:

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Takes the biscuit when I read that golfers are blaming the boomers for all the problems in the environment. Suggest those with these concerns should give up. I presume they get to the course in their car as well.

Yes, after all it's not as if we baby-boomers spent the money on bringing up those that are now 30-45!