EU Referendum

[SocketRocket]

I said at the beginning that those on the road to retirement should not be allowed to vote. Perhaps I should have said that this was a decision that would affect for 20years ... But I upset a lot of people. Now the stats suggest that the older generation has influx this decision.
I did look across at the 64 yr old work colleague who voted leave and he tried to justify his position. He kept saying interest rates are still low. His son rang him up and gave him an ear full. I just said I think you're pension pot has just gone through the floor, looks like another 10years service for you.
So really all was very short sighted... Let's just watch the investment and exchange rates. They are a true measure of the situation.
Cameron was right to go, I don't blame him in his efforts to disentangle himself from a farcical situation. Step up Boris, let's put you in the history books for causing mass recession, people dying in hospitals and a generation of homelessness

If I remember correctly then you are a Firefighter and as such will have a better pension than the majority of us and it will be topped up by us tax payers. If I am correct you will be retiring earlier than most of your peers so I guess in your own skewed reasoning not worthy of a vote either.

 

[Old Skier]

http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/

God you can be such a weary Willie. [or choosing to constantly ignore facts]
ONE bloomin click on Google. OK

And for someone who only likes polls that support his cause you can be one as well. So he polled 12000 + people but doesn't say from where and from the millions that voted he comes up with fact, pull the other one.

Just because you can google it doesn't make it so - Google wings and you'll see what I mean

 

[Doon frae Troon]

According to Channel 4 News the UK has lost more money in the last 8 hours than in 15 years of EU contributions.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

And for someone who only likes polls that support his cause you can be one as well. So he polled 12000 + people but doesn't say from where and from the millions that voted he comes up with fact, pull the other one.

Just because you can google it doesn't make it so - Google wings and you'll see what I mean

I told you to google it about 100 posts ago and you still wittered on and on and on about 'no exit polls available'.
You also need to take a look at Ashcrofts methods.

 

[Fish]

I went to Morrisons to do my shopping this morning and the cashier asked this foreign couple in front of me if they wanted any help packing their bags today.... I thought jeezus, this is happening quicker than I expected....😜

 

[Deleted member 18588]

And for someone who only likes polls that support his cause you can be one as well. So he polled 12000 + people but doesn't say from where and from the millions that voted he comes up with fact, pull the other one.

Just because you can google it doesn't make it so - Google wings and you'll see what I mean

Not only that but if you drill down his figures with regard to votes by party support, age, employment status then it is hard to see how the overall 52% 48% result came about.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

I was being kind ... He was pretty silly letting the public vote. Especially since they voted him in!! Now he is trying not to have his name smeared with this disaster. Don't worry I won't forget.

Erm.....maybe he got voted in because the Tories pledged in their manifesto to have an EU referendum

 

[Old Skier]

I told you to google it about 100 posts ago and you still wittered on and on and on about 'no exit polls available'.
You also need to take a look at Ashcrofts methods.

Sorry, I work on facts not Google. Google is not always your friend.

If you are so certain that they are facts perhaps you could say,

Why the under 30s turn out was lower than the national average.
Why the turnout in Scotland was lower than the national average.

 

[SocketRocket]

According to Channel 4 News the UK has lost more money in the last 8 hours than in 15 years of EU contributions.

I've just looked through Channel 4 News and cant find a reference to your assertion. Also it would be comparing apples to pears if it did. The money paid into the EU is tax payers funds, money on the markets is not from the exchequer.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

I was being kind ... He was pretty silly letting the public vote. Especially since they voted him in!! Now he is trying not to have his name smeared with this disaster. Don't worry I won't forget.

All of this seems to have been swept under the carpet though. He got us into this mess, he should have the balls to stand up and sort it out.

There's going to be a lot of over reaction as well, hopefully it doesn't cause too much damage. We'll see.

 

[Ross61]

According to Channel 4 News the UK has lost more money in the last 8 hours than in 15 years of EU contributions.

if they checked my shares they would say I've lost money too, but I haven't sold any shares so haven't lost anything in reality, it fact I'm still way in profit since I attained them. When I sell them I can calculate it. Channel 4, I assume haven't stated how much money the UK gained before today.

 

[harpo_72]

If I remember correctly then you are a Firefighter and as such will have a better pension than the majority of us and it will be topped up by us tax payers. If I am correct you will be retiring earlier than most of your peers so I guess in your own skewed reasoning not worthy of a vote either.

Nope not a fire fighter. I work for a large profitable company that may choose to leave these shores. My future is at risk, I will probably be 70 something when I can draw my state pension. The other savings I have are at risk, my son's future is at risk.... I will be supporting the " spoonies" crowd, you know the English that don't work and have never worked.

 

[Hacker Khan]

They have a point.....

 

[Old Skier]

They have a point.....

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They might also be pushing for a referendum shortly.

 

[Old Skier]

Nope not a fire fighter. I work for a large profitable company that may choose to leave these shores. My future is at risk, I will probably be 70 something when I can draw my state pension. The other savings I have are at risk, my son's future is at risk.... I will be supporting the " spoonies" crowd, you know the English that don't work and have never worked.

A bit like the rest of us then. What makes you the special one.

 

[SocketRocket]

Nope not a fire fighter. I work for a large profitable company that may choose to leave these shores. My future is at risk, I will probably be 70 something when I can draw my state pension. The other savings I have are at risk, my son's future is at risk.... I will be supporting the " spoonies" crowd, you know the English that don't work and have never worked.

Be positive they may not choose to leave. Increases in life expectancy will mean people working into later life, it's just a factor of the way we evolve, your Grandad probably had a life expectancy of around 60, his Grandad around 50 and his around 45. You will probably enjoy the same or more number of years in retirement as they did.

When we can become a little more realistic with the numbers of people we need to immigrate here than the 'Spoonies' may well find themselves facing the prospect of working or getting nothing. Now that would be a refreshing change for the better.

 

[TheDiablo]

The FT have published an article with research that states those regions of the UK that are most dependent on EU Trade were some of the heaviest leave voters.

If the EU play hardball on trade negotiations and their local economy and trade tanks as a result of their short sightedness they will inevitably look to London for a handout. Good luck getting that from an unelected Tory govt they've just helped put in charge!

 

[vkurup]

The FT have published an article with research that states those regions of the UK that are most dependent on EU Trade were some of the heaviest leave voters.

If the EU play hardball on trade negotiations and their local economy and trade tanks as a result of their short sightedness they will inevitably look to London for a handout. Good luck getting that from an unelected Tory govt they've just helped put in charge!

Don't worry.. once we leave we will have a lot of money to hand around. The figure of 350m comes to mind... Unless that is a lie, surely not..

 

[chrisd]

So which facts are you disputing? Nothing you've said challenges the points I made, merely deflects it and makes excuses. So in response to your points...

Wage growth was high in the 70s
House prices were comparably so much lower in the 80s than today that even with high interest rates the % of income on housing was far lower
Triple locked pensions - I shouldn't need to go further than that!

You clearly didn't live in those times. Wage growrh was only high because we had rampant inflation, often around 12% p/a, believe me we weren't any better off. We didn't have the luxuries you take for granted, phones, computers, cars etc etc. My first mortgage in 1975 took 80% of my total take home pay and that mortgage was often around 12%. We didn't have spare money or holidays abroad, or in fact most of the luxuries of life you now enjoy.

Triple licked pensions are a product of the last few years and we're having to wait longer than ever promised to get that pension.

You clearly haven't got a clue how much more difficult life was back in the 60's to the 2000's than it is today!

 

[delc]

Maybe the Remain campaign should have concentrated on the positive benefits of being in the EU, rather than the negative scare stories about the effect of leaving it (which unfortunately are now coming true)! :mmm: