EU Referendum

[Deleted member 21258]

This maybe isn't a great surprise given the geographic results breakdown but at work here I haven't yet spoken to a single person who voted for leave. There's much consternation from my FB friends as well. In fact this forum is the only contact I have with brexiters.

There's a real feeling of shock and disappointment today and a wee bit of anger too. I don't know how it's going to develop. I'm no fan of the SNP and, even now, wouldn't vote for an independent Scotland but it seems to me that it's wide open now. Lots have said they voted no in 2014 but would consider changing that if there was another vote.

I think it would be irresponsible to have such a vote before the brexit settlement and ongoing eu landscape were known but the SNP will have no such scruples. I reckon they'd get a yes vote if they organised it soon. Just terribly sad about it all.

Could I ask how you take that more of a % of Scotland actually voted to remain part of the EU than to remain part of GB ?

Is Scotland more pro Europe than England in that sense, or is it Scotland is still Scottish, than what is happening with 'foreign labour/immigration' in many parts of England ? (please don't take that as racist, as it is not meant to read that way and if it does please don't, but I know from clients I speak to, this a major issue for them and has been for probably more than a decade tbh, just growing year on year and no action taken by governments)

I thought it was very weird and strange vote.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Could I ask how you take that more of a % of Scotland actually voted to remain part of the EU than to remain part of GB ?

Is Scotland more pro Europe than England in that sense, or is it Scotland is still Scottish, than what is happening with 'foreign labour/immigration' in many parts of England ? (please don't take that as racist, as it is not meant to read that way and if it does please don't, but I know from clients I speak to, this a major issue for them and has been for probably more than a decade tbh, just growing year on year and no action taken by governments)

I thought it was very weird and strange vote.

We're more anti-English than anti-European. Which is to say our nationalism rages at a different target and blames a different "oppressor" for our problems.

 

[Deleted member 21258]

We're more anti-English than anti-European. Which is to say our nationalism rages at a different target and blames a different "oppressor" for our problems.

Thanks for the reply, certainly agrees with the Scottish vote, cheers was interested to hear. :thup:

PS Still be coming on holiday to Scotland, love it up there, lovely countryside, people and golf courses.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Pretty sure subscription websites are not an interesting development of the referendum outcome

I'd need to pay to read about the point you're trying to make

It is the first line [before paywall]

 

[FairwayDodger]

Thanks for the reply, certainly agrees with the Scottish vote, cheers was interested to hear. :thup:

PS Still be coming on holiday to Scotland, love it up there, lovely countryside, people and golf courses.

Remember your passport

 

[Old Skier]

We're more anti-English than anti-European.

The majority of us Welsh voted out. Are we on the anti list as well now

 

[Doon frae Troon]

We could have changed the eu. We could have stayed and played our part to make it better for ourselves, our European neighbours and the rest of the world.

We didn't. In truth, we never properly engaged with it. We're a small minded, insular country that grows more irrelevant in international terms with each passing government.

We had a great chance to mean something in the modern world and we turned our backs.

Spot on FD.
The legacy to our young who cannot afford a house or a pension, have a high level of job insecurity, and will be left with a debt that their grandchildren will be paying for.

Pretty poor show from 'my my,my,my greedy generation'

 

[FairwayDodger]

The majority of us Welsh voted out. Are we on the anti list as well now

You're asking the wrong person, I've long been more anti-Welsh than anti-English

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

You're asking the wrong person, I've long been more anti-Welsh than anti-English

At last we agree on something

 

[sawtooth]

Thanks for the reply, certainly agrees with the Scottish vote, cheers was interested to hear. :thup:

PS Still be coming on holiday to Scotland, love it up there, lovely countryside, people and golf courses.

Did you not read the anti-English bit? oo:

 

[IanG]

Sad to wake up in Rome this morning to the Brexit news. Not feeling very proud to be British today. My only consolation is that I'm still sceptical the UK will actually go through with leaving. Already the article 50 trigger for the 2 year divorce term has been delayed into October - perfectly sensibly of course. Once the civil service get going on making up the lists of things to be negotiated, not only with Brussels but with other countries, and the associated costs, soft pedalling will be the order of the day and lets see if we're actually out in 4 years time. I know many will think I'm mad, but I just can't see the real powerbrokers (corporations and the political establishement both in the UK and Europe) letting Brexit happen. After all 52/48 is not too far from 49/51.

 

[SocketRocket]

Sterling began to drop earlier this year due to uncertainty around Brexit. It then recovered over the last month as global markets incorrectly predicted the result. It has since crashed. It is a fact that Sterling in 2016 is at its weakest Vs the dollar in over 10 years and that at one point reached 1985 levels. Not hyperbole, a fact.

It is also a fact that more money will be lost on the markets today than any other day in history, more than the credit crunch, 9/11 and so on.

Again, call it scaremongering, call it hyperbole, call it whatever you want. But they're facts, and it will take years to recover from it. Ironically it's the working class that will get hit first, as they always do.

Where will all this money be lost today? Shares are only affected when you sell them and who would do that on a day like today? The Footsie 100 made a big drop this morning but is back to the levels of last week.

Dont Panic!

 

[pendodave]

Spot on FD.
The legacy to our young who cannot afford a house or a pension, have a high level of job insecurity, and will be left with a debt that their grandchildren will be paying for.

I could be wrong, but didn't we already have all that before yesterday?

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

Where will all this money be lost today? Shares are only affected when you sell them and who would do that on a day like today? The Footsie 100 made a big drop this morning but is back to the levels of last week.

Dont Panic!

Check the FTSE250 for a worse look at the world

 

[Region3]

Sad to wake up in Rome this morning to the Brexit news. Not feeling very proud to be British today. My only consolation is that I'm still sceptical the UK will actually go through with leaving. Already the article 50 trigger for the 2 year divorce term has been delayed into October - perfectly sensibly of course. Once the civil service get going on making up the lists of things to be negotiated, not only with Brussels but with other countries, and the associated costs, soft pedalling will be the order of the day and lets see if we're actually out in 4 years time. I know many will think I'm mad, but I just can't see the real powerbrokers (corporations and the political establishement both in the UK and Europe) letting Brexit happen. After all 52/48 is not too far from 49/51.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying, but from what I've read we have no say in the exit negotiations. The terms of us leaving are decided upon by the other 27 nations, and we are still governed by EU law for at least 2 years with no say in them whatsoever.

I realise we will have fresh negotiations trying to replace the deals we will be losing, and I really think this can work but we must have a strong prime minister and negotiators.

 

[TheDiablo]

When all is said and done and the dust is settled it's just something else for my generation to pick up the pieces from. Hopefully the legacy we leave will be far better than what we inherit from the boomers.

Not content with irreversible damage to the environment, taking advantage of cheap housing for personal greed, social mobility, free education and golden pensions, risking more than they could afford to lose and bankrupting the country, the baby boomers had to have one last dig to keep us down.

'Broken Britain' that they so like to claim is ironically down to them and the greed of their generation. Not the immigrants or the EU that they've tried to deflect the blame to.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

When all is said and done and the dust is settled it's just something else for my generation to pick up the pieces from. Hopefully the legacy we leave will be far better than what we inherit from the boomers.

Not content with irreversible damage to the environment, taking advantage of cheap housing for personal greed, social mobility, free education and golden pensions, risking more than they could afford to lose and bankrupting the country, the baby boomers had to have one last dig to keep us down.

'Broken Britain' that they so like to claim is ironically down to them and the greed of their generation. Not the immigrants or the EU that they've tried to deflect the blame to.

Here here. Could not agree with this more.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

When all is said and done and the dust is settled it's just something else for my generation to pick up the pieces from. Hopefully the legacy we leave will be far better than what we inherit from the boomers.

Not content with irreversible damage to the environment, taking advantage of cheap housing for personal greed, social mobility, free education and golden pensions, risking more than they could afford to lose and bankrupting the country, the baby boomers had to have one last dig to keep us down.

'Broken Britain' that they so like to claim is ironically down to them and the greed of their generation. Not the immigrants or the EU that they've tried to deflect the blame to.

This is all very much your opinion not fact.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

This is all very much your opinion not fact.

Which specific points do you disagree with?

Damage to the environment?
Taking advantage of cheap housing to the detriment of current social housing stock
Free education being removed?
Golden pensions disappearing?
Bankrupting the country?

 

[Papas1982]

Which specific points do you disagree with?

Damage to the environment?
Taking advantage of cheap housing to the detriment of current social housing stock
Free education being removed?
Golden pensions disappearing?
Bankrupting the country?

they are just born into this generation. There's nothing to show that any other generation would have acted differently if it had been "their time".

Out of curiosity. What age range falls into this bracket? Because I'd gauge 30-50? Then there's all the old racists that are to blame for being narrow. Indeed and voting out too.

So so what are we meant to do. Leave the country to the 20 somethings?