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SwingsitlikeHogan

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So you are happy to believe Cameron when he says that they won't be joining in the next few years then?

I mean it's not as if the EU have bent/broken the rules before to allow new members to join when they haven't met all the criteria is it?

...and you are happy to believe all the empty promises being given by Gove and Bojo over trade.
 

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Personally I take what the major politicians are saying with a pinch of salt. Instead I prefer to listen to professors who have studies the EU for years and are experts in EU law, and as I have already posted once this is what said professor said about this: -

It is also worth recalling that the accession of future Member States requires the unanimous agreement of the 28 governments plus their national ratification processes. The only large applicant is Turkey – and there is no realistic prospect of Turkey joining the EU within any of our lifetimes – not least since several countries have indicated that they would hold national referenda on any Turkish deal, obviously in the expectation that their populations would overwhelmingly reject it.”

Honestly HK - I'd have thought by now that you'd understand that the experts are all in cahoots with the Remain campaign (and probably funded by the EU) and so can be ignored. Poor old Mr "Now, what I want is, Facts" Gradgrind would be most frustrated as whenever someone with the facts appears - they are dismissed.
 

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How do you work that out? If we vote to leave then WE decide who comes in and not the EU.

Again from that damn professor whose job it is to know about this kind of thing...

a significant majority of the foreign nationals living in the UK (2/3 at the last national census), and over half the net immigration each year, come from outside the EU. That is almost entirely within our own domestic competence and power – we seem to be good at immigration, without needing any help from the EU.
– as regards those EU nationals who come to the UK: it is completely dishonest of prominent Leave campaigners repeatedly to claim that there is some sort of unconditional right to move to and settle in another Member State. We all have a right to circulate – that is the basis on which, e.g. we go on holiday to Spain and France. But when it comes to settling in another country, there are three main categories of right under EU law: for the economically active (ie in work and paying taxes); for students (eg enrolled at university and thus paying tuition fees); and for those wealthy enough to look after themselves and their families without relying on public benefits. There is no right to “benefit tourism” under EU law.
– Against that background, it is unsurprising to find that – according to all the objective social science research – EU migrants are significantly more likely to be younger, better qualified and economically active; they pay far more into the country in work and taxes than they take out in public benefits or services.
 
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...and you are happy to believe all the empty promises being given by Gove and Bojo over trade.

Is there a reason why you never make reference to the Labour politicians in the Leave camp or Mr Corbyn's less than enthusiastic support for Remain.

Actually based upon your previous utterances I suppose that is a silly question.
 

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Does anybody actually believe anything that is written in the Daily Mail? Today's edition has every anti-EU cliche in the book spread over many pages! 🙄
 

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...and you are happy to believe all the empty promises being given by Gove and Bojo over trade.

Nope, not a single one of them but I don't keep quoting them on here. In the event of a vote to Leave then I believe that trade with the EU will continue pretty much as it does now as it in in the interests of both sides to form a trade agreement. If the Germans decide to play hard ball over an agreement then I can see a lot more Japanese cars on the roads over the next few years as I am sure they would be more than happy to sell them to us. I don't believe all of the apocalyptic versions of events that Remain are trying to sell.

As it happens I won't be able to vote anyway due to a last minute work trip taking me out of the country and it being too late to get a postal vote which means although I'm undecided I don't have to make up my mind either way. But in all likelihood I would have voted to Remain if I had been there to vote, I'm just not so blinkered that I will believe any old line that either side are trying to sell and think that the truth is somewhere in between.
 

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Is there a reason why you never make reference to the Labour politicians in the Leave camp or Mr Corbyn's less than enthusiastic support for Remain.

Actually based upon your previous utterances I suppose that is a silly question.

He doesn't answer many questions either, especially those he wants to avoid, he just returns with another question, that's what you come to expect from yogurt knitters and people who like to walk around in white coats, clips boards and an array of different coloured ballpoint pens in their top pocket 😜
 

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Andrew Neil on Twitter has just tweeted that the Head of German Industry has said that post-Brexit trade barriers would be "very, very fooilsh" and has urged for "trade regime to maintain levels of trade we have". So it seems not everyone in Europe is in favour of making trading difficult for the UK in the event of a Leave vote.
 

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Nope, not a single one of them but I don't keep quoting them on here. In the event of a vote to Leave then I believe that trade with the EU will continue pretty much as it does now as it in in the interests of both sides to form a trade agreement. If the Germans decide to play hard ball over an agreement then I can see a lot more Japanese cars on the roads over the next few years as I am sure they would be more than happy to sell them to us. I don't believe all of the apocalyptic versions of events that Remain are trying to sell.

As it happens I won't be able to vote anyway due to a last minute work trip taking me out of the country and it being too late to get a postal vote which means although I'm undecided I don't have to make up my mind either way. But in all likelihood I would have voted to Remain if I had been there to vote, I'm just not so blinkered that I will believe any old line that either side are trying to sell and think that the truth is somewhere in between.

On my polling card it says that if you find out you are unable to vote in person after 5pm on the 15th June for medical or work reasons then you can apply to vote by proxy, application must be in before 5pm on the 23rd June. Call the helpline immediately to find out how to apply.
 

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The only good thing about a vote to leave would be all those UKIP MEP's losing their seats and their fat salaries and expenses! 😀
 
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