ColchesterFC
Journeyman Pro
You really don't like answering questions do you so I'll ask again, what requirements could the EU bring in that would be so scary that not being able to influence them will be a problem?
EU Referendum
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You really don't like answering questions do you so I'll ask again, what requirements could the EU bring in that would be so scary that not being able to influence them will be a problem?
ColchesterFC
Journeyman Pro
I don't think they are. No idea why a lot of Leave voters seem to think they are such a big issue. Or indeed some Remain campaigners as SiLH has displayed in his responses that he thinks not being able to influence them will be a problem.
Groundhog Day!
We can't influence the regs and standards in the US but we still manufacture and export to there.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
I'm rather in despair this evening having listened to too many phone-ins today and this week. Whilst there are many well enough reasoned arguments for Leaving on this here Message Board - not that I agree with them - some of the reasons I have heard being expounded by others elsewhere beggar belief. A compete random spread of reasons - the vast majority of which will not come about because they are so complete pie-in -the-sky.
Many of course being simply based on then belief that - no matter what turns out - no matter how difficult the economic situation - the British spirit will see us build the UK into the great country it once was - and these are the people who moan that it is Remain that belittle the UK as it is today!
And then there is my Mother-in-Law - she was going to vote Leave because her friends Mrs T and Mrs K were voting Leave - no other reason. I think my wife managed to persuade her to not vote - on the grounds that my 21yr old daughter would have voted Remain tomorrow but for personal reasons preventing her - and isn't the future our young - not our old. You most certainly wouldn't think so when you listen to many older voters - who seem simply to have their own interests and prejudices at heart.
How sad - and how worrying for tomorrow.
Many of course being simply based on then belief that - no matter what turns out - no matter how difficult the economic situation - the British spirit will see us build the UK into the great country it once was - and these are the people who moan that it is Remain that belittle the UK as it is today!
And then there is my Mother-in-Law - she was going to vote Leave because her friends Mrs T and Mrs K were voting Leave - no other reason. I think my wife managed to persuade her to not vote - on the grounds that my 21yr old daughter would have voted Remain tomorrow but for personal reasons preventing her - and isn't the future our young - not our old. You most certainly wouldn't think so when you listen to many older voters - who seem simply to have their own interests and prejudices at heart.
How sad - and how worrying for tomorrow.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Have you watched the video and listened to what the Prof of European Law said? Please don't go by what I say - I am not an expert. Try listening to an expert.
ColchesterFC
Journeyman Pro
So no answer then? Surprise, surprise. With your track record of avoiding answering questions maybe you should become a politician. You'd fit right in.
And no I haven't watched the video as You Tube is blocked on the vessel so I can't watch it.
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MarkE
Challenge Tour Pro
Maybe you should'nt vote then, if you believe the older generation of voters are incapable of looking out for the youngsters. Or do you mean just those with opposing views to yourself?
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
I have said I am not an expert - why do you want me to paraphrase what a Professor of European Law will explain fully - if you will just listen to what he says.
ColchesterFC
Journeyman Pro
Because throughout this thread you have continually rubbished the views of people wishing to vote Leave but are unwilling or unable to answer questions or give reasons why. I didn't ask the professor what he thought I asked you.
And as I have already said, I can't watch what he said as it is blocked by our network admin.
The Guardian, a staunch Remain supporter, has a poll with a very different result.
This whole campaign has been a disgraceful shambles by both sides. The politicians could learn a lot from the current campaign going on in Spain.
ColchesterFC
Journeyman Pro
As you don't seem to like my question how about answering Hobbit's point about how we can't influence the regulations and standards in the US but we still export successfully to there?
Fyldewhite
Tour Winner
Enjoyed the debate on here. Very entrenched views on both sides. Much anger on the Brexit side but I'm still not sure exactly what about when we would probably all agree (especially the demographic on this forum) that we've mostly had a good, peaceful and fairly prosperous life under successive governments of both flavours with the benefits (and pitfalls) of EU membership for over 40 years. I'm actually happy with my lot, and I'm sure deep down most of us are.
To me Brexit is promising solutions for problems that don't exist and no solution at all to the problems that do. Nobody is suggesting that the problems aren't there but exiting the EU simply won't achieve the benefits that they claim.....that is as plain as day to anyone who has looked at the facts around the big issues. It will also risk our prosperity and the longest sustained period of political stability Europe has ever seen. I particularly liked Branson's quote......the choice is Little England or Great Britain.
Farage asked us to vote with our hearts tomorrow and take pride in Britain. Sorry Nige, I'll still be proud to be British come Friday morning but I'll be voting with my head.
To me Brexit is promising solutions for problems that don't exist and no solution at all to the problems that do. Nobody is suggesting that the problems aren't there but exiting the EU simply won't achieve the benefits that they claim.....that is as plain as day to anyone who has looked at the facts around the big issues. It will also risk our prosperity and the longest sustained period of political stability Europe has ever seen. I particularly liked Branson's quote......the choice is Little England or Great Britain.
Farage asked us to vote with our hearts tomorrow and take pride in Britain. Sorry Nige, I'll still be proud to be British come Friday morning but I'll be voting with my head.
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Snelly
Guest
Voted. There was only me there at 7.15am. I expected to be queuing around the block and fighting off chugger style campaigners.....
The Poll Clerk was in leopard skin print - unusual choice I thought but she added an element of glamour to the serious business of selecting the course of our future.
The Poll Clerk was in leopard skin print - unusual choice I thought but she added an element of glamour to the serious business of selecting the course of our future.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Has anyone actually changed their mind over the last few months?
As soon as the referendum was announced there would have been a number who instantly made up their mind either way and will not change.
Then there will have been those who sat on the fence and have now swayed one way or the other.
But has anyone changed?
I found it very difficult to pick the truths out of the sound bites, rhetoric, self-progression and insults that have been thrown by both sides to get to a point where I'm confident one way or the other.
I posted very early in this thread of my concern that many people who are voting for the future of our country actually have no real idea what they're voting for as both sides have been fighting each other rather than giving Joe Public reasoned arguments for either stance.
Many Politicians from the same party have been fighting each other - they now have to work together...is that going to be possible?
Happy Poling Day😕
As soon as the referendum was announced there would have been a number who instantly made up their mind either way and will not change.
Then there will have been those who sat on the fence and have now swayed one way or the other.
But has anyone changed?
I found it very difficult to pick the truths out of the sound bites, rhetoric, self-progression and insults that have been thrown by both sides to get to a point where I'm confident one way or the other.
I posted very early in this thread of my concern that many people who are voting for the future of our country actually have no real idea what they're voting for as both sides have been fighting each other rather than giving Joe Public reasoned arguments for either stance.
Many Politicians from the same party have been fighting each other - they now have to work together...is that going to be possible?
Happy Poling Day😕
Yes. I've gone from Out to In. There's a lot I've learned abut the EU that I like even less than back in Jan/Feb, but the political elite that are driving Out frighten me with their (almost) fascist right wing views. I may have wanted Out for valid reasons, but I don't want to be led by the far-right.
I hope the result is exceptionally close, that its an in result but that Cameron et al recognise that the electorate/country is horrendously fractured.
shewy
Journeyman Pro
Tbh glad it's over, whatever the result will we really see much change. To me there has been only 2 topics covered in the whole campaign, immigration by leave and economy by remain, had remain focused on immigration control it would be a landslide.
Crow
Crow Person
Haven't read read through all of this thread but I'll be voting remain today.
Crazyface
Tour Winner
Watching last nights BBC news some bloke reporter was asking people why they were going to vote the way the were. the Remain answers were, basically....I'm scared of whats over the fence. The Leavers meanwhile actually had reasons...immigration, I want to be governed by elected people, Camerons lied to us, the money we give can be used here.
And that is the reasons the Leave people are English Lions. We are not scared OF ANYONE !
And that is the reasons the Leave people are English Lions. We are not scared OF ANYONE !
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