EU Referendum

[SocketRocket]

What bit of 'I don't want to discuss anything with you ever again as you are odd' don't you get! You were politely told to behave yourself recently, maybe you need to do just that as I will not discuss anything with you anymore. Get it!!

I know, lets make this easier. I'm clicking the button that puts you on my 'ignore list' so I dont have to see your posts anymore. Great!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

That's a shame, they were quite genuine questions I was hoping to see answers to from someone on the Leave side.

And you're one of the more reasonable ones, SocketRocket!

Agreed they are genuine sensible questions

 

[SocketRocket]

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...We have no control on EU migration...



A 2-way street! And Cameron has negotiated some movement on the 'more politically sensitive' aspects (benefits).

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...we have no control in our justice system...



What rulings have there been that have gone against UK Govt. that have actually been 'unjust'?

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...we have no control on new laws being imposed on us...



What laws have been 'imposed on on us' that are actually objectionable? And there's still the 'veto' available - though it's no longer a simple veto.

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...we have no control on throwing foreign criminals out of the country...



Of course we have - where justified! Certainly as much as we would have after a Brexit!


Can you reply to me please?

Your post has come over as a lot of unreadable links.

 

[IanM]

I find myself despairing at some of the commentary on this.

Regardless, Remain will win, and by far more than the polls suggest. The EU have spent much money and time to ensure it and our Government will not allow an exit anyway. Funny how the registration system fell over this week and ballots went out to certain folk not entitled to them. Who'd have predicted that?

The EU will eventually unravel regardless of the result of this Referendum. It will simply run out of cash and the "less politically correct" Eastern European States won't be as compliant as the more Liberal Western Ones. Frau Merkel has also set a time bomb ticking in Germany. Wonder why? (Genuinely wonder why....)

Good luck folks... this is going very smelly very quickly... book your tickets for New Zealand!

 

[Old Skier]

I'm not
a racist
A Daily Mail reader
xenophobic
Or uneducated

Why do some of the remain side on here think that those who wish to leave are?

Im voting out for one reason only. The people in the UK have only ever voted to be part of a European Common Market, not for a European state that has control over any countries abilities to make its own decisions and laws.

I now have the opportunity IMO, to vote on who controls the UK. Whatever the outcome then so be it, but a least I have had my chance to vote.

 

[Foxholer]

Here's a fairly convincing argument for why UK has MORE control over criminals - both foreign and UK born!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-return-to-costa-del-crime-days-a6926461.html

 

[Old Skier]

Show your passport?

Have you heard of the new E-passport machines. I have been abroad 7 or 8 times this year and haven't shown my passport coming back to Heathrow once. The machines are not very chatty, though, to be fair.

Stick to Heathrow, the ones in Gatwick continue to fail.

 

[SocketRocket]

I'm not
a racist
A Daily Mail reader
xenophobic
Or uneducated

Why do some of the remain side on here think that those who wish to leave are?

Im voting out for one reason only. The people in the UK have only ever voted to be part of a European Common Market, not for a European state that has control over any countries abilities to make its own decisions and laws.

I now have the opportunity IMO, to vote on who controls the UK. Whatever the outcome then so be it, but a least I have had my chance to vote.

Because they are the very things they accuse others of.

 

[Aztecs27]

I'm not
a racist
A Daily Mail reader
xenophobic
Or uneducated

Why do some of the remain side on here think that those who wish to leave are?

Im voting out for one reason only. The people in the UK have only ever voted to be part of a European Common Market, not for a European state that has control over any countries abilities to make its own decisions and laws.

I now have the opportunity IMO, to vote on who controls the UK. Whatever the outcome then so be it, but a least I have had my chance to vote.

That seems completely a completely fair and reasonable argument....

The trouble is, a majority of the leave camp paint themselves as one or all of the above, whether they realise it or not. - I'm not going to point fingers, but if you look at some of the previous posts on this thread from some of the leave-campers, they come across as VERY Xenophobic.

 

[Aztecs27]

Stick to Heathrow, the ones in Gatwick continue to fail.

Glad it's not just me then. Took ages to get back from skiing in Austria in Feb, because the machines weren't working correctly.

 

[MarkE]

The trouble is, a majority of the leave camp paint themselves as one or all of the above, whether they realise it or not. - I'm not going to point fingers, but if you look at some of the previous posts on this thread from some of the leave-campers, they come across as VERY Xenophobic.

But the Remainers seem unable to differentiate between folk being proud and having faith in our country to run itself, with xenophobia and racism. As mentioned before, it's just a lazy get out, rather than debating the issues.

 

[SocketRocket]

But the Remainers seem unable to differentiate between folk being proud and having faith in our country to run itself, with xenophobia and racism. As mentioned before, it's just a lazy get out, rather than debating the issues.

Spot on :thup:

 

[jp5]

I'm not
a racist
A Daily Mail reader
xenophobic
Or uneducated

Why do some of the remain side on here think that those who wish to leave are?

I haven't seen anyone brandish all leave voters with those terms, and it would be wrong to do so.

It is absolutely correct however to call out xenophobic views, regardless of voting intention.

 

[Foxholer]

I'm not
a racist
A Daily Mail reader
xenophobic
Or uneducated

Why do some of the remain side on here think that those who wish to leave are?

Im voting out for one reason only. The people in the UK have only ever voted to be part of a European Common Market, not for a European state that has control over any countries abilities to make its own decisions and laws.

I now have the opportunity IMO, to vote on who controls the UK. Whatever the outcome then so be it, but a least I have had my chance to vote.

Thouroughly laudable (and applaudable ) reason! I may or my not agree with your opinion (or reasoning), but certainly agree with the need for a referendum!

There should have been one before the Lisbon Treaty (or even Maastricht and ) was ratified imo! The fact that there wasn't demonstrates, to me, the fear by the supposed 'democratically elected' regime in the UK at the time (Labour for Lisbon; Conservatives for Maastricht) simply ignored 'real' democracy - imo, fearing that a referendum might produce 'the wrong result'!

 

[Ethan]

I'm not
a racist
A Daily Mail reader
xenophobic
Or uneducated

Why do some of the remain side on here think that those who wish to leave are?

Im voting out for one reason only. The people in the UK have only ever voted to be part of a European Common Market, not for a European state that has control over any countries abilities to make its own decisions and laws.

I now have the opportunity IMO, to vote on who controls the UK. Whatever the outcome then so be it, but a least I have had my chance to vote.

Perhaps you are none of those. Some are easier to judge than others, though. But if you were all or most of those, you would be a Brexiteer.

The line about what was voted for in the 70s is technically true, but seems to be bogged down in a historical context. Life has moved on since then and the current economy and globalised place we now find ourselves was unforeseeable then. Back then, Google was rubbish and you had to order stuff from Amazon with a pen and paper. Progress requires taking account of changing circumstances and updating opinions accordingly.

So it is fine to say that you don't like the structures of the EU right now in the context of all the issues that now prevail, but I think we need to let go of what people in 1975 may have or may not have voted for.

 

[Foxholer]

...Progress requires taking account of changing circumstances and updating opinions accordingly.

So it is fine to say that you don't like the structures of the EU right now in the context of all the issues that now prevail, but I think we need to let go of what people in 1975 may have or may not have voted for.

That's why it should be enshrined in UK policy (or law) that a referendum must be held to ratify any EU Treaty!

 

[Old Skier]

That's why it should be enshrined in UK policy (or law) that a referendum must be held to ratify any EU Treaty!

Which I believe it now is.

 

[Old Skier]

Perhaps you are none of those.

You just can't help youself.

 

[FairwayDodger]

That's why it should be enshrined in UK policy (or law) that a referendum must be held to ratify any EU Treaty!

I think the current debacle is all the evidence we need that referenda are not the way ahead. A series of preposterous statements, wild speculation and downright lies from both sides have left an ill informed public none the wiser when it comes to how to vote.

 

[SocketRocket]

That seems completely a completely fair and reasonable argument....

The trouble is, a majority of the leave camp paint themselves as one or all of the above, whether they realise it or not. - I'm not going to point fingers, but if you look at some of the previous posts on this thread from some of the leave-campers, they come across as VERY Xenophobic.

This constant accusation of Xenophobic views from the Leave Camp is a rather broad brush used as a blunt instrument. People should be able to filter the difference between immigration concerns and Racial Hatred. I believe that too many people in the Stay Camp are using this word a bit too freely and without due cause. I don't see many posts suggesting (Openly or disguised) that people of a certain Race should not come here, it's nearly always about numbers. As a matter of fact some of the most Xenophobic nations are members of the EU, just take a look at the attitudes of Eastern European countries if you want to see Xenophobia in action.