EU Referendum

[Aztecs27]

You should be a politician. They mostly also believe that repeating a lie makes it true too.

The line about EU making laws has been proven to be nonsense, as has the line about £350 million a week, and just about every other promise the Brexiteers have made. Tory MP Sarah Wollaston has switched sides because she is so sick of the Leave side's lies.

And I seem to remember it was the evil witch (Thatcher) who destroyed manufacturing in this country, not the EU, so there aren't too many left to subsidise. Many of those who are here would not be here if the UK was not in the EU.

I wish there was a function to 'like' posts on here...but instead I'll quote for posterity. Absolutely spot on.

Absolutely terrified of the Xenophobic "LETS TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY" attitude that I'm seeing more and more of the last few weeks.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I am proud of my country, AND I have ambitions for it to grow. I can't see past the controls put in place by the EU not helping that growth. Simple things like us having control of what industries we can subsidise to make them competitive in the emerging global market. Try getting a subsidy past the EU without going there first.

And yes, you have seriously missed something if you think we have control. I know how many times my #1 daughter has to go back and forth to Brussels when we're trying to write legislation. Control?! I could sit and tell you story after story of the trips to Brussles over various trade laws, e.g. the car scrappage scheme and the Post Office sell off. Control?!

I know I said it above but I'll say it again, you are seriously deluded if you think we have control of the vast majority of our law making. Split hairs if you want and say we pass it in our Parliament, which we do, but the reality is its a dilution of the laws we originally wanted.

Sorry Phil but you haven't got a clue. We pass laws that we are allowed to pass. Its a rubberstamping exercise on something that has to be agreed in Brussels. Control?! Give over..

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...t-freedom-from-laws-sovereignty-a7064526.html

Maybe it's somewhere in the middle

 

[Beezerk]

Absolutely terrified of the Xenophobic "LETS TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY" attitude that I'm seeing more and more of the last few weeks.

You seem to be confusing xenephobes with people who actually care about what the country will be like in 30 or 40 years time, rather than the short sighted "my holiday may go up by £50" squad who I'm more concerned about.

 

[Aztecs27]

You seem to be confusing xenephobes with people who actually care about what the country will be like in 30 or 40 years time, rather than the short sighted "my holiday may go up by £50" squad who I'm more concerned about.

Haha, ok? I'm definitely not confused, but thanks for your concern. I've yet to see concrete evidence that this country will be better off if we leave the EU. All of the crap that's been posted through my door has been UKIP themed propaganda and scaremongering about how nasty immigrants are going to take over my country.

 

[Crazyface]

You seem to be confusing xenephobes with people who actually care about what the country will be like in 30 or 40 years time, rather than the short sighted "my holiday may go up by £50" squad who I'm more concerned about.

How will if go up by £50 when the other countries will collapse without our monitary input, the pound will soar the Euro bombs, everything is cheap as chips again in Greece, albeit full of migrants, who they will shift out once they have control back, and we can go back to sunny cheap holidays !!!! Whoooo !!

 

[Crazyface]

Haha, ok? I'm definitely not confused, but thanks for your concern. I've yet to see concrete evidence that this country will be better off if we leave the EU. All of the crap that's been posted through my door has been UKIP themed propaganda and scaremongering about how nasty immigrants are going to take over my country.

I also have yet to see any real evidence that we will be better off by staying in. The £350 million may not be right, but it's about £200 million A WEEK so that a start. Should buy a few things.

 

[Hobbit]

You should be a politician. They mostly also believe that repeating a lie makes it true too.

The line about EU making laws has been proven to be nonsense, as has the line about £350 million a week, and just about every other promise the Brexiteers have made. Tory MP Sarah Wollaston has switched sides because she is so sick of the Leave side's lies.

And I seem to remember it was the evil witch (Thatcher) who destroyed manufacturing in this country, not the EU, so there aren't too many left to subsidise. Many of those who are here would not be here if the UK was not in the EU.

whatever...

 

[Ethan]

I wish there was a function to 'like' posts on here...but instead I'll quote for posterity. Absolutely spot on.

Absolutely terrified of the Xenophobic "LETS TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY" attitude that I'm seeing more and more of the last few weeks.

I think there is a huge difference in attitude between the sides. I don't know any 'Remain' people who feel passionately about the EU or Brussels or any of the elements of being in the EU. They mostly see it as a pragmatic and imperfect but basically positive thing.

But on the 'Leave' side, zut alors, quel difference!. Brexiteers feel very strongly about making Britain great again (whether that means), controlling our own destiny (see previous parenthesis), the sovereignty of Westminster which up until a short time ago they hated as a cesspit of corruption and corporate self-interest. They moan about the pressure on the NHS, schools and public services but many voted for a Govt intent on reducing funding to all of those. And as has happened repeatedly over history, they have been distracted from domestic politics and their own fecklessness and told to blame immigrants. This is the oldest tactic in the book, and is especially liked by right wing governments. It is much easier than actually doing something to improve these public services.

Instead of leaving the EU, we should leave the Tories behind. That would do a lot to start to move to sorting the problems that are getting everyone riled up and taking it out on the wrong targets.

 

[Aztecs27]

I think there is a huge difference in attitude between the sides. I don't know any 'Remain' people who feel passionately about the EU or Brussels or any of the elements of being in the EU. They mostly see it as a pragmatic and imperfect but basically positive thing.

But on the 'Leave' side, zut alors, quel difference!. Brexiteers feel very strongly about making Britain great again (whether that means), controlling our own destiny (see previous parenthesis), the sovereignty of Westminster which up until a short time ago they hated as a cesspit of corruption and corporate self-interest. They moan about the pressure on the NHS, schools and public services but many voted for a Govt intent on reducing funding to all of those. And as has happened repeatedly over history, they have been distracted from domestic politics and their own fecklessness and told to blame immigrants. This is the oldest tactic in the book, and is especially liked by right wing governments. It is much easier than actually doing something to improve these public services.

Instead of leaving the EU, we should leave the Tories behind. That would do a lot to start to move to sorting the problems that are getting everyone riled up and taking it out on the wrong targets.

Nail on head.

 

[Old Skier]

Tory MP Sarah Wollaston has switched sides because she is so sick of the Leave side's lies.

Been offered a cabinet post more likely. The remain campaign are desperate to get some mementum in the SW as it is heavily in favour of an out vote.

When she wanted us all out her main focus was on farming and fisheries, what's changed there to make her so anxious to change.

Next Health Minister more likely.

 

[Aztecs27]

I also have yet to see any real evidence that we will be better off by staying in. The £350 million may not be right, but it's about £200 million A WEEK so that a start. Should buy a few things.

So it's not £350 million a week, but it's definitely about £200 million a week? Where did you pluck that figure from?

 

[Beezerk]

Haha, ok? I'm definitely not confused, but thanks for your concern. I've yet to see concrete evidence that this country will be better off if we leave the EU. All of the crap that's been posted through my door has been UKIP themed propaganda and scaremongering about how nasty immigrants are going to take over my country.

There's "crap" on both sides of the fence, I just think it's easy/lazy to call the Brexiters xenophobes/racists.

 

[Ethan]

whatever...

A vacuous response entirely typical of you and the Brexit side, displaying the same analytical rigour and careful thought that you have applied to the issues in the referendum. Thanks for confirming.

 

[Foxholer]

...We have no control on EU migration...

A 2-way street! And Cameron has negotiated some movement on the 'more politically sensitive' aspects (benefits).

...we have no control in our justice system...

What rulings have there been that have gone against UK Govt. that have actually been 'unjust'?

...we have no control on new laws being imposed on us...

What laws have been 'imposed on on us' that are actually objectionable? And there's still the 'veto' available - though it's no longer a simple veto.

...we have no control on throwing foreign criminals out of the country...

Of course we have - where justified! Certainly as much as we would have after a Brexit!

 

[SocketRocket]

Nail on head.

More like Head on Nail

 

[SocketRocket]

A 2-way street! And Cameron has negotiated some movement on the 'more politically sensitive' aspects (benefits).

What rulings have there been that have gone against UK Govt. that have actually been 'unjust'?

What laws have been 'imposed on on us' that are actually objectionable? And there's still the 'veto' available - though it's no longer a simple veto.

Of course we have - where justified! Certainly as much as we would have after a Brexit!

What bit of 'I don't want to discuss anything with you ever again as you are odd' don't you get! You were politely told to behave yourself recently, maybe you need to do just that as I will not discuss anything with you anymore. Get it!!

 

[jp5]

That's a shame, they were quite genuine questions I was hoping to see answers to from someone on the Leave side.

And you're one of the more reasonable ones, SocketRocket!

 

[MarkE]

There's "crap" on both sides of the fence, I just think it's easy/lazy to call the Brexiters xenophobes/racists.

^^^^^^This. It's the default fall back response by the Remain lobby at any time they find themselves losing an argument.

 

[SocketRocket]

That's a shame, they were quite genuine questions I was hoping to see answers to from someone on the Leave side.

And you're one of the more reasonable ones, SocketRocket!

If you want to ask a question thats a different matter

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

If you want to ask a question thats a different matter

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...We have no control on EU migration...



A 2-way street! And Cameron has negotiated some movement on the 'more politically sensitive' aspects (benefits).

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...we have no control in our justice system...



What rulings have there been that have gone against UK Govt. that have actually been 'unjust'?

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...we have no control on new laws being imposed on us...



What laws have been 'imposed on on us' that are actually objectionable? And there's still the 'veto' available - though it's no longer a simple veto.

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...we have no control on throwing foreign criminals out of the country...



Of course we have - where justified! Certainly as much as we would have after a Brexit!


Can you reply to me please?