EU Referendum

[Hobbit]

Are you not proud of your country right now ?

I am - politics don't change me being proud of the country and its people

And unless I missed something we are in control of our country

I am proud of my country, AND I have ambitions for it to grow. I can't see past the controls put in place by the EU not helping that growth. Simple things like us having control of what industries we can subsidise to make them competitive in the emerging global market. Try getting a subsidy past the EU without going there first.

And yes, you have seriously missed something if you think we have control. I know how many times my #1 daughter has to go back and forth to Brussels when we're trying to write legislation. Control?! I could sit and tell you story after story of the trips to Brussles over various trade laws, e.g. the car scrappage scheme and the Post Office sell off. Control?!

I know I said it above but I'll say it again, you are seriously deluded if you think we have control of the vast majority of our law making. Split hairs if you want and say we pass it in our Parliament, which we do, but the reality is its a dilution of the laws we originally wanted.

Sorry Phil but you haven't got a clue. We pass laws that we are allowed to pass. Its a rubberstamping exercise on something that has to be agreed in Brussels. Control?! Give over..

 

[Crazyface]

Whilst as a whole the EU has a trade surplus with us, that isn't true for every individual country - each of which would have to agree to any new deal.

Can't see trading terms being more favourable outside the EU than in it.

Why on earth would we now have to deal with every country individually????? We'd just deal with the EU as a block. Isn't that what the EU is about or have I missed something?

 

[Crazyface]

And "freedom of movement". What a load of crock that is? Has anyone been to Europe since we joined? Everytime I go I have to take my passport to show that countries passport control people as though I'm some sort of criminal. Do they smile and wave me in? Do they hell! I'm looked at like I'm dirt off someones shoe.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

Why on earth would we now have to deal with every country individually????? We'd just deal with the EU as a block. Isn't that what the EU is about or have I missed something?

You missed the point in what he said, although you did make up for that with the quantum of question marks.

He was referring to the fact that although we'd be dealing with the EU, this involved agreement from the countries within. Those who don't have a trading deficit with us will be less desperate to give us a good deal, as it impacts them less

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

And "freedom of movement". What a load of crock that is? Has anyone been to Europe since we joined? Everytime I go I have to take my passport to show that countries passport control people as though I'm some sort of criminal. Do they smile and wave me in? Do they hell! I'm looked at like I'm dirt off someones shoe.

With your charming attitude I have absolutely no idea why that would be.

Whereas whenever I've visited, it's been exceptionally quick, with helpful friendly staff, who give me a lovely smile.

Must be coincidence...

 

[bluewolf]

And "freedom of movement". What a load of crock that is? Has anyone been to Europe since we joined? Everytime I go I have to take my passport to show that countries passport control people as though I'm some sort of criminal. Do they smile and wave me in? Do they hell! I'm looked at like I'm dirt off someones shoe.

You do realize that they don't know where you're from until they see your passport, don't you?

And as far as looking at you like dirt, well, maybe that's more personal than political?

 

[Crazyface]

But they'd be forced to vote for it as the other big exporters would make them. They are under their control...as we are now. and will continue to be so if we stay in. Continually having to broker deals within the corrupt EU.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

No I'm not proud on the hell hole that is England and haven't been for about 10 years. I don't care about anything that is from here anymore. Once I'd die for my country. I'd fly the flag during sporting tournaments. No more. I want us to regain being English again and be proud of my country. Even if our politicians make a cock up of things, they'll be OUR politicians making decisions for us, not other countries politicians imposing their will on us.

England ? I thought this was a UK wide vote ?

And stating what would happen doesn't actually mean it's going to happen ?

What happens if leaving the EU cripples the country ?

You or anyone on here cannot predict what exactly will happen in the future - staying in the EU could help the UK

 

[Crazyface]

If I've got out of the UK then I have the right to travel. They do not need to see my passport.

I'm about to boost their pityful economy, they need me, I require their sun. Let me get in and start boosting.
When we vote out and Greece and Portugal and Italy will not be able to be supported by the EU, watch the prices fall in those countries as the pound soars !!!

 

[Crazyface]

England ? I thought this was a UK wide vote ?

And stating what would happen doesn't actually mean it's going to happen ?

What happens if leaving the EU cripples the country ?

You or anyone on here cannot predict what exactly will happen in the future - staying in the EU could help the UK

Leaving could be better!!!!!!

I cannot speak for Scotland and Wales. I don't live there.

 

[bluewolf]

If I've got out of the UK then I have the right to travel. They do not need to see my passport.

I'm about to boost their pityful economy, they need me, I require their sun. Let me get in and start boosting.
When we vote out and Greece and Portugal and Italy will not be able to be supported by the EU, watch the prices fall in those countries as the pound soars !!!

Flying from the UK doesn't mean that you're British..

 

[Crazyface]

With your charming attitude I have absolutely no idea why that would be.

Whereas whenever I've visited, it's been exceptionally quick, with helpful friendly staff, who give me a lovely smile.

Must be coincidence...

More lies.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

More lies.

Hahah the worst thing is, it actually isn't. It helps if you smile at them first, rather than getting angry they want to see your passport (I cannot for the life of me understand your logic with that - do you get annoyed if non-EU countries want to see your passport? Do you get annoyed showing your passport when coming back into the UK?)

I'm not going to dispute that they don't smile at you. All I will add though, is that based on this brief internet encounter, I doubt I would be anything other than blank faced to you either. Do you raise your voice and start shouting when they don't understand you?

 

[Aztecs27]

Hahah the worst thing is, it actually isn't. It helps if you smile at them first, rather than getting angry they want to see your passport (I cannot for the life of me understand your logic with that - do you get annoyed if non-EU countries want to see your passport? Do you get annoyed showing your passport when coming back into the UK?)

I'm not going to dispute that they don't smile at you. All I will add though, is that based on this brief internet encounter, I doubt I would be anything other than blank faced to you either. Do you raise your voice and start shouting when they don't understand you?

This is what I'm so perplexed about? How can someone moan about having to show their password and being looked at like a piece of dirt...yet the passport controllers are EXACTLY the same when you come back to the UK.

HOW DARE YOU MAKE ME SHOW MY PASSPORT COMING BACK INTO MY OWN COUNTRY! BROKEN BRITAIN!!!!!!!!

I've never known Xenophobia like I've read on this thread, it's really quite depressing.

 

[Crazyface]

Hahah the worst thing is, it actually isn't. It helps if you smile at them first, rather than getting angry they want to see your passport (I cannot for the life of me understand your logic with that - do you get annoyed if non-EU countries want to see your passport? Do you get annoyed showing your passport when coming back into the UK?)

I'm not going to dispute that they don't smile at you. All I will add though, is that based on this brief internet encounter, I doubt I would be anything other than blank faced to you either. Do you raise your voice and start shouting when they don't understand you?

No I wish I could speak their language.

 

[Crazyface]

This is what I'm so perplexed about? How can someone moan about having to show their password and being looked at like a piece of dirt...yet the passport controllers are EXACTLY the same when you come back to the UK.

HOW DARE YOU MAKE ME SHOW MY PASSPORT COMING BACK INTO MY OWN COUNTRY! BROKEN BRITAIN!!!!!!!!

I've never known Xenophobia like I've read on this thread, it's really quite depressing.

They show their passports to get in here because we didn't sign up to the schengen agreement. How did this happen?

 

[Ethan]

Hahah the worst thing is, it actually isn't. It helps if you smile at them first, rather than getting angry they want to see your passport (I cannot for the life of me understand your logic with that - do you get annoyed if non-EU countries want to see your passport? Do you get annoyed showing your passport when coming back into the UK?)

I'm not going to dispute that they don't smile at you. All I will add though, is that based on this brief internet encounter, I doubt I would be anything other than blank faced to you either. Do you raise your voice and start shouting when they don't understand you?

Show your passport?

Have you heard of the new E-passport machines. I have been abroad 7 or 8 times this year and haven't shown my passport coming back to Heathrow once. The machines are not very chatty, though, to be fair.

 

[Aztecs27]

Show your passport?

Have you heard of the new E-passport machines. I have been abroad 7 or 8 times this year and haven't shown my passport coming back to Heathrow once. The machines are not very chatty, though, to be fair.

Trouble is, you always get some knob who can't fathom out how to use them and delays everyone more than they would by actually going to one of the miserable Border Control people.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

Show your passport?

Have you heard of the new E-passport machines. I have been abroad 7 or 8 times this year and haven't shown my passport coming back to Heathrow once. The machines are not very chatty, though, to be fair.

I'm a bit behind the times, I've only just upgraded to the e-passport. Excited to use it for the first time.

Am I allowed to get annoyed if the machine doesn't smile?

 

[Ethan]

I am proud of my country, AND I have ambitions for it to grow. I can't see past the controls put in place by the EU not helping that growth. Simple things like us having control of what industries we can subsidise to make them competitive in the emerging global market. Try getting a subsidy past the EU without going there first.

And yes, you have seriously missed something if you think we have control. I know how many times my #1 daughter has to go back and forth to Brussels when we're trying to write legislation. Control?! I could sit and tell you story after story of the trips to Brussles over various trade laws, e.g. the car scrappage scheme and the Post Office sell off. Control?!

I know I said it above but I'll say it again, you are seriously deluded if you think we have control of the vast majority of our law making. Split hairs if you want and say we pass it in our Parliament, which we do, but the reality is its a dilution of the laws we originally wanted.

Sorry Phil but you haven't got a clue. We pass laws that we are allowed to pass. Its a rubberstamping exercise on something that has to be agreed in Brussels. Control?! Give over..

You should be a politician. They mostly also believe that repeating a lie makes it true too.

The line about EU making laws has been proven to be nonsense, as has the line about £350 million a week, and just about every other promise the Brexiteers have made. Tory MP Sarah Wollaston has switched sides because she is so sick of the Leave side's lies.

And I seem to remember it was the evil witch (Thatcher) who destroyed manufacturing in this country, not the EU, so there aren't too many left to subsidise. Many of those who are here would not be here if the UK was not in the EU.