EU Referendum

[Deleted member 15344]

It was your statement not mine.

As I have already said to you before a number of times when you bring it up

I voted in the GE , I voted in the LE and I will vote in the EU Ref - now hopefully you will remember that to stop bringing it up anytime I post in this thread

 

[MegaSteve]

I'm not placing my vote based on the personalities of those campaigning.

I truly wish that a whole load more folk would adopt this attitude when they come to decide which way to vote...


We'd be a whole lot better off, as a nation, I reckon..

 

[Old Skier]

Trade deals are highly complex, as you know.. We won't be able to just walk in and start making demands.. We may or may not get a favourable deal, but it won't be all our own way...

Quite agree but if we don't get heavy handed and make no demands, providing the seller makes none I don't see a problem.

 

[Hobbit]

Did you see Osborne with Andrew Neil last night, he was made to look a complete idiot.

Not seen it but not surprised. He's had 3 consecutive budgets with U-turns that have meant the budget didn't balance. If I did that my MD would have shown me the door... I can't believe he's still in post, which brings into question the credibility of the man who put him there.

And they're both Remainers... they're putting Remain at risk with their "WW3" lies etc. Equally, who on the leave side is trustworthy?

Sadly, I feel the whole issue has reinforced what a bunch of liars we have as politicians running the UK.

 

[Old Skier]

As I have already said to you before a number of times when you bring it up

I voted in the GE , I voted in the LE and I will vote in the EU Ref - now hopefully you will remember that to stop bringing it up anytime I post in this thread

My apologise, I must have missed your change of mind on voting.

As I have stated in the past, I prefer people to vote even if I don't agree with there preference .

 

[SocketRocket]

Trade deals are highly complex, as you know.. We won't be able to just walk in and start making demands.. We may or may not get a favourable deal, but it won't be all our own way...

So whats the worst case scenario. They apply some trade tariffs to our exports and we apply some to theirs. Who would be the worse off by that, it would encourage us to buy more from the rest of the world at lower prices and also make our own products. The EU does not have a strong hand in dealing with their biggest customer.

 

[Crazyface]

I think that attitude sums up a lot of the scare tactics being used by the leave campaign


Will the same branding be applied to people who voted leave if in 10 years time us being out of the year has ruined us as a country ?

Bring it on. You can brand me anytime you want as someone who wants their country back under it own control and to be proud of it again.

 

[Crazyface]

So whats the worst case scenario. They apply some trade tariffs to our exports and we apply some to theirs. Who would be the worse off by that, it would encourage us to buy more from the rest of the world at lower prices and also make our own products. The EU does not have a strong hand in dealing with their biggest customer.

Tit for tat tariffing would be bad for the EU countries. We are a huge consuming country. We'd just import more from China / India / Indonesia and the USA.

 

[bluewolf]

So whats the worst case scenario. They apply some trade tariffs to our exports and we apply some to theirs. Who would be the worse off by that, it would encourage us to buy more from the rest of the world at lower prices and also make our own products. The EU does not have a strong hand in dealing with their biggest customer.

Unfortunately, this is falling into the trap of thinking that the only real discussion point is the economy.. Nobody on this forum can possibly know what any future trade deal will look like.. Based on previous negotiations, I don't think it will be as rosy as some on here, but I have no idea if I'm right or not...

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Bring it on. You can brand me anytime you want as someone who wants their country back under it own control and to be proud of it again.

Are you not proud of your country right now ?

I am - politics don't change me being proud of the country and its people

And unless I missed something we are in control of our country

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Unfortunately, this is falling into the trap of thinking that the only real discussion point is the economy.. Nobody on this forum can possibly know what any future trade deal will look like.. Based on previous negotiations, I don't think it will be as rosy as some on here, but I have no idea if I'm right or not...

That sums it up perfectly mate :thup:

A lot of assumptions being made that leaving the EU makes everything perfect but there is nothing factual to back that up - it's purely guesswork and risks - are people willing to risk the country ? I don't think I am

 

[Crazyface]

Unfortunately, this is falling into the trap of thinking that the only real discussion point is the economy.. Nobody on this forum can possibly know what any future trade deal will look like.. Based on previous negotiations, I don't think it will be as rosy as some on here, but I have no idea if I'm right or not...

The trade deal would be in our favour! Hi Europe, did you know there are other countries that produce the same stuff as you....cheaper too, we'll get it all from them eh? Ok now we'll talk.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The trade deal would be in our favour! Hi Europe, did you know there are other countries that produce the same stuff as you....cheaper too, we'll get it all from them eh? Ok now we'll talk.

How do you know that it "would be in our favour" ?

 

[Crazyface]

That sums it up perfectly mate :thup:

A lot of assumptions being made that leaving the EU makes everything perfect but there is nothing factual to back that up - it's purely guesswork and risks - are people willing to risk the country ? I don't think I am

wishy washy lilly livered person. risk!? What risk? Risk us being over run with people who we cannot then support.

 

[Crazyface]

How do you know that it "would be in our favour" ?

coz we import more than we export, so then they need us as we buy shed loads of stuff.....that we COULD GET ELSEWHERE !

 

[SocketRocket]

Are you not proud of your country right now ?

I am - politics don't change me being proud of the country and its people

And unless I missed something we are in control of our country

No we're not. We have no control on EU migration, we have no control in our justice system, we have no control on new laws being imposed on us, we have no control on throwing foreign criminals out of the country. It's a mess.

 

[Crazyface]

coz we import more than we export, so then they need us as we buy shed loads of stuff.....that we COULD GET ELSEWHERE !

Do you want our business? No? OK we'll buy our stuff elsewhere. we don't need no trading deal with you. T'raa

 

[Crazyface]

No we're not. We have no control on EU migration, we have no control in our justice system, we have no control on new laws being imposed on us, we have no control on throwing foreign criminals out of the country. I's a mess.

No I'm not proud on the hell hole that is England and haven't been for about 10 years. I don't care about anything that is from here anymore. Once I'd die for my country. I'd fly the flag during sporting tournaments. No more. I want us to regain being English again and be proud of my country. Even if our politicians make a cock up of things, they'll be OUR politicians making decisions for us, not other countries politicians imposing their will on us.

 

[jp5]

Whilst as a whole the EU has a trade surplus with us, that isn't true for every individual country - each of which would have to agree to any new deal.

Can't see trading terms being more favourable outside the EU than in it.

 

[SocketRocket]

Unfortunately, this is falling into the trap of thinking that the only real discussion point is the economy.. Nobody on this forum can possibly know what any future trade deal will look like.. Based on previous negotiations, I don't think it will be as rosy as some on here, but I have no idea if I'm right or not...

Look. No one on here can possibly know what the EU will look like in the future, we can only make a judgement. As I explained, if you take the very worse case scenario it's not exactly apocalyptic, my feeling is that it would be much better than the worse case anyway. It keeps getting repeated that we are the EU's biggest single customer, do you really believe they would want to endanger that level of trade. For anyone to believe that all trade would end if we leave is nonsense.

I could suggest that the EU will soon implode due to the Euro, so we are better off out of it. Tha'ts the same kind of scare tactics being used by Cameron and Osborne.