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You look at how many have come to your golf day in previous years, consider whether it is likely to be fewer or greater depending on what other nearby golf days are offering, and make a reasoned estimate.
 

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You look at how many have come to your golf day in previous years, consider whether it is likely to be fewer or greater depending on what other nearby golf days are offering, and make a reasoned estimate.

So that would work for a game 10 years off then and when you have no real idea how many members you have now.
 
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Is there anyone that has been persuaded to change their mind based on the discussion on this thread?
 
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It's not unfair. The system was clearly inadequate to cope with the entirely predictable last minute rush and many citizens have been disenfranchised as a result.

What's not fair is to shift the blame to individuals who were attempting to register within the allowed period.

Technology works slightly differently and no point in simply blaming the govt and the IT bods for the provisioning of the IT infrastructure. No one expects half a million new registrations just before the deadline. It costs real money to get extra infrastructure to cater to such events and with reduced budgets you can expect someone would have done a risk analysis or a model to say that we can take about 100-200-250K last min registrations but if it goes to 500K then the cost for provisioning would be higher. Based on the model someone would have decided that they have budget for about 250K regs and willing to accept the risk for it - as this is a one of a kind event.
This is similar to why we dont invest in snow ploughs in this country or in the south anymore. So if we have a really bad snow, then we will moan and get on with it rather than spend millions on on-off events. Equally, as someone pointed out, the 31st Jan Self Assessment was a lot worse, but can now cope because it is fully provisioned and is an annual event.

But it does feel good to call the govt and its experts incompetent... so lets continue to do that ...
 

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Technology works slightly differently and no point in simply blaming the govt and the IT bods for the provisioning of the IT infrastructure. No one expects half a million new registrations just before the deadline.
But it does feel good to call the govt and its experts incompetent... so lets continue to do that ...

Of course they should have expected it - it was a similar spike in volume as before the deadline to register in the General Election only last year.
 

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Of course they should have expected it - it was a similar spike in volume as before the deadline to register in the General Election only last year.

No it wasn't. Before the last General election they processed 72000 registrations per hour. Before the deadline yesterday the demand was over 200000 registrations per hour. Almost three times as many.

And what happens now if lots of people leave it late to register tomorrow and the system crashes again? Do they then extend the deadline again?
 

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Making a software and hardware change to cope with this volume is a very big and expensive project that someone has to pay for and would probably need a five year development plan and program.

I find it hard to understand why so many have left it to the last minute, we have had more than enough warning.
 

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Making a software and hardware change to cope with this volume is a very big and expensive project that someone has to pay for and would probably need a five year development plan and program.

I find it hard to understand why so many have left it to the last minute, we have had more than enough warning.

Quite - it's not like sticking a bit more memory in your PC or buying a new one with a faster processor.
 

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Is there anyone that has been persuaded to change their mind based on the discussion on this thread?

I've gone from out to sitting on the fence. Bizarrely it's more about confidence in the politicians if we vote out. I genuinely feel they are competent to tie their own shoe laces let alone steer us through the out negotiations.
 

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I've gone from out to sitting on the fence. Bizarrely it's more about confidence in the politicians if we vote out. I genuinely feel they are competent to tie their own shoe laces let alone steer us through the out negotiations.

I'm the opposite. I've gone from definitely voting Remain to now being so undecided that I might not even bother to vote at all.
 

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I'm the opposite. I've gone from definitely voting Remain to now being so undecided that I might not even bother to vote at all.

Must admit to thinking of abstaining and leaving it to those that know better. Unfortunately I then get a picture of someone coming out of the bookie and voting.
 

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We have the likes of Ashley and the bosses of BHS - and today I learn from my son that he has had his JSA stopped because he has not accepted a job in Tesco - stacking shelves getting paid nothing by Tesco. He has a degree, he has been applying for 6 jobs a day - every day - as a condition for getting his £57 a week. Yup - £57 a week. And because he is wanting to get a half decent job he doesn't want to spend 37.5 hours a week stacking shelves - he wants to continue looking for work, and so he says no - and the government stop his benefits. Oh yes - some will say - well he should accept anything - really? Tesco getting free labour and no prospect of an even half decent job at the end of it.

Anyone got any idea how he is supposed to live? Clearly Ian Duncan Smith and Chris Greyling don't really care else they wouldn't have concocted such a system. And yes - these are two of the guys who will be leading a Brexitted UK gov. Oh joy of joys. And we think that of course a Brexitted UK government wouldn't loosen employment law and put workers rights even further down the list of priorities as they struggle to get a Brexited UK onto an even keel. Dream on, the poor and unemployed will be even more dumped on than they are today,
 

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I've gone from out to sitting on the fence. Bizarrely it's more about confidence in the politicians if we vote out. I genuinely feel they are competent to tie their own shoe laces let alone steer us through the out negotiations.
I started out as REMAIN, fluctuated several times, then returned to REMAIN. The main reason? A total lack of faith/trust in our own politicians to do anything other than what is right for themselves and the interests they really represent.
 

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We have the likes of Ashley and the bosses of BHS - and today I learn from my son that he has had his JSA stopped because he has not accepted a job in Tesco - stacking shelves getting paid nothing by Tesco. He has a degree, he has been applying for 6 jobs a day - every day - as a condition for getting his £57 a week. Yup - £57 a week. And because he is wanting to get a half decent job he doesn't want to spend 37.5 hours a week stacking shelves - he wants to continue looking for work, and so he says no - and the government stop his benefits. Oh yes - some will say - well he should accept anything - really? Tesco getting free labour and no prospect of an even half decent job at the end of it.

Anyone got any idea how he is supposed to live? Clearly Ian Duncan Smith and Chris Greyling don't really care else they wouldn't have concocted such a system. And yes - these are two of the guys who will be leading a Brexitted UK gov. Oh joy of joys. And we think that of course a Brexitted UK government wouldn't loosen employment law and put workers rights even further down the list of priorities as they struggle to get a Brexited UK onto an even keel. Dream on, the poor and unemployed will be even more dumped on than they are today,


Apparently there's hundreds of thousands of immigrants willing to come in and do anything for a wage.

Seriously though, I see this sort of thing in countless CV's when I'm recruiting. Who do I choose? The guy who does the shelf sticking job or the guy who sits at home? I know it's brutal but your lad's CV would end up in the bin.
 

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Been there, not much fun. Do they not give 3 months grace before insisting you accept anything? I ended up washing cars for 6 months (despite my three degrees!) as I had a pregnant wife to support, a mortgage to pay (not that the wages made much of a dent!) and nothing seemingly available in my profession within a commute. A little amusing to learn that some of my colleagues were earning more than double my hourly rate at the time thanks to all their benefits! Previous years earnings seemed to have disqualified me, but thankfully we are reasonably good savers.
 

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Apparently there's hundreds of thousands of immigrants willing to come in and do anything for a wage.

Seriously though, I see this sort of thing in countless CV's when I'm recruiting. Who do I choose? The guy who does the shelf sticking job or the guy who sits at home? I know it's brutal but your lad's CV would end up in the bin.

I agree, I always employed those who put themselves out to work even though it was obvious it wasn't for them rather than waiting for that special position that's going to come around....!

I've never not worked, before I opened my business and when I was creating the business and fitting it out for months prior to opening, I was working nights at ToysRUs stacking pallets and loading lorries, I did some door knocking for our local paper trying to sign people up and also leaflet distribution, all this was nights or late afternoon so it didn't get into the way of what I needed to do in the day, the same as anyone who needs a full day to apply for jobs from home!

It's too easy to make excuses and blame everyone and anything but yourself, I wouldn't give him a second look!
 
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