EU Referendum

[Foxholer]

Sky News reporting on the referendum have just said that every 4 weeks the EU move from Brussels to Strasbourg for 4 days and then go back to Brussels. This costs £150 million pounds per year. Does anyone know why they do this? Seems like an awful waste of money.

Acc to their website..

17. Why does Parliament move between Brussels and Strasbourg?

The EU's national governments unanimously decided in 1992 to fix permanently the seat of the EU institutions. The official seat and venue for most of the plenary sessions is Strasbourg, Parliamentary Committees and Political Group meetings are held in Brussels and administrative staff are based in Luxembourg. Any change to this current system would need to be part of a new treaty and unanimously agreed by all Member States.


<edit> Plus things can be a bit bonkers. I think this is a valid reason to leave the EU..

My understanding is that it was (and still is) at the French government's insistence that this happens!

So Nationalism wins over common-sense! Personally, I believe France should simply be charged for the considerable cost of the farce - which does produce considerable benefits for the Strasbourg region!

 

[MarkE]

Today's warning comes from the IFS, a non-neutral organisation, being part funded by the EU. http://news.sky.com/story/1701665/brexit-would-cost-uk-40bn-warns-report

Surely even the most staunch Remain supporter is getting hacked off with the constant barrage of doom from the government and it's allies.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Today's warning comes from the IFS, a non-neutral organisation, being part funded by the EU. http://news.sky.com/story/1701665/brexit-would-cost-uk-40bn-warns-report

Surely even the most staunch Remain supporter is getting hacked off with the constant barrage of doom from the government and it's allies.

No really, just finding it all very tedious now. Remain makes statement about potential consequence of brexit, leave cries "scaremongering" without actually refuting the substance.... And repeat ad infinitum. Let's just have the vote and be done with it.

 

[ColchesterFC]

As I understand it the biggest problem with the IFS report is that they haven't actually done their own studies into the outcome. They have used the previous studies, including the treasury report which has been questioned as to its accuracy, to come up with these results. If any of the data they used was incorrect then it will have skewed the results. I wish they had done their own complete study rather than rely on others results so that Leave would have had to use evidence to refute the results rather than just use "scaremongering" as a response.

 

[vkurup]

Today,, the BBC put the £350m into perspective.
https://www.facebook.com/bbcbreakfast/videos/1335349079812560/

can we pl start accusing the beebs of being baised...

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Today's warning comes from the IFS, a non-neutral organisation, being part funded by the EU. http://news.sky.com/story/1701665/brexit-would-cost-uk-40bn-warns-report

Surely even the most staunch Remain supporter is getting hacked off with the constant barrage of doom from the government and it's allies.

5yrs ago you changed from playing a budget 'distance' golf ball to playing a Pro V1; you work really hard on lessons with your pro and developed your game around use of the Pro V1 and got your handicap down to single figures. But then you decide to stop playing ProV1s and go back to budget balls - say because you are told that they can go further; they are cheaper and you get more of them for your bucks; or that ProV1s are a rip-off and don't cost that much more to manufacture than yer budget ball.

What is your Pro going to say? What are your mates going to say?

They are going to say stuff like: don't be stupid; why do this if you don't have to? Your game is pretty darned good why change? You'll lose distance, spin, control and your handicap will soar. You'll lose your place in the club teams. You'll not challenge in the main club comps etc. All pretty negative stuff yes?

You'll say - look - I'm single figures - I've got a good handicap and a solid game. Sure - I'll go through a transitional difficult period - but once I get used to my new ball I think I'll be just as good and successful golfer as I was with the ProV1 and that bit extra distance might actually make me a better player.

 

[ColchesterFC]

I assume in your analogy that sticking with Pro V's is voting to Remain and the budget balls are voting to Leave.

What about if he replied with I've got some issues at home that I need to sort out and can't justify spending the money on Pro V's. I need to spend that money on things that really matter to me rather than giving it to Titleist for their golf balls.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Today,, the BBC put the £350m into perspective.
https://www.facebook.com/bbcbreakfast/videos/1335349079812560/

can we pl start accusing the beebs of being baised...

Every media organisation, person, think tank or politician will always be biased if you do not agree with what they are saying. It's the law.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I assume in your analogy that sticking with Pro V's is voting to Remain and the budget balls are voting to Leave.

What about if he replied with I've got some issues at home that I need to sort out and can't justify spending the money on Pro V's. I need to spend that money on things that really matter to me rather than giving it to Titleist for their golf balls.

You may well say that - but at the same time you say that it isn't going to affect your game - in fact you think that it will improve it and you won't need to go back to a premium ball. The point is - unless you really have to go to a budget ball - nobody does because they know the risks; they will only go back there as a very last resort.

But if your friends do not see any good reason for you doing it - and think that you are deluded about your golf in the future - they will say - well - we can a see what you are saying - we do not think you are right - and they will point out all the risks. But if you feel you cannot afford the better ball and think you can play just as well with the budget ball - then go ahead - but don't say you weren't warned.

 

[Hobbit]

You may well say that - but at the same time you say that it isn't going to affect your game - in fact you think that it will improve it and you won't need to go back to a premium ball. The point is - unless you really have to go to a budget ball - nobody does because they know the risks; they will only go back there as a very last resort.

But if your friends do not see any good reason for you doing it - and think that you are deluded about your golf in the future - they will say - well - we can a see what you are saying - we do not think you are right - and they will point out all the risks. But if you feel you cannot afford the better ball and think you can play just as well with the budget ball - then go ahead - but don't say you weren't warned.

Or by playing the game/shot differently you can still shoot the same score... I know coz I did it in a comp. I pulled out and old Dunlop Warwick, and thought what the hell. I was gobsmacked to find that by playing differently I could still get the same result - I won BTW.

So if it is an opt out, and we budget differently, why can't we still win?

I agree that if we try and do the same things the same way but with a different set of parameters we will get a different result. But I thought the whole idea of an opt out is to change some things...

 

[MarkE]

You may well say that - but at the same time you say that it isn't going to affect your game - in fact you think that it will improve it and you won't need to go back to a premium ball. The point is - unless you really have to go to a budget ball - nobody does because they know the risks; they will only go back there as a very last resort.

But if your friends do not see any good reason for you doing it - and think that you are deluded about your golf in the future - they will say - well - we can a see what you are saying - we do not think you are right - and they will point out all the risks. But if you feel you cannot afford the better ball and think you can play just as well with the budget ball - then go ahead - but don't say you weren't warned.

All well and good if you can actually afford to keep throwing good money after bad. Which the UK certainly cannot.

 

[SocketRocket]

5yrs ago you changed from playing a budget 'distance' golf ball to playing a Pro V1; you work really hard on lessons with your pro and developed your game around use of the Pro V1 and got your handicap down to single figures. But then you decide to stop playing ProV1s and go back to budget balls - say because you are told that they can go further; they are cheaper and you get more of them for your bucks; or that ProV1s are a rip-off and don't cost that much more to manufacture than yer budget ball.

What is your Pro going to say? What are your mates going to say?

They are going to say stuff like: don't be stupid; why do this if you don't have to? Your game is pretty darned good why change? You'll lose distance, spin, control and your handicap will soar. You'll lose your place in the club teams. You'll not challenge in the main club comps etc. All pretty negative stuff yes?

You'll say - look - I'm single figures - I've got a good handicap and a solid game. Sure - I'll go through a transitional difficult period - but once I get used to my new ball I think I'll be just as good and successful golfer as I was with the ProV1 and that bit extra distance might actually make me a better player.

But the EU is not a real Pro V1 organisation. It's a Pinnacle that has been stamped with a Pro V1 logo, everyone knows it'a not a Pro V1 and it doesn't perform like a Pro V 1 but the Head Pro keeps telling us it is and he also suggests that he has also put them in a different box that makes them perform even better than pro v1's.

 

[SocketRocket]

I agree... every report from the Remain campaign is fairly dire and i hope it does not make people go over to the other side instead. Conversely the statements (rather than any report) from Leave seems to be made on emotion rather than on an evidence. Currently there does not seem to be any evidence to say that we will be better off outside - atleast nothing that can be substantiated beyond what mop-head boris says on his soap box.

OK, here are a few videos that make a very reasoned case for Brexit: Please try to take a little time to watch them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jpphRld42U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOi24TsK2c8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1P277pqQWU

 

[ColchesterFC]

But if your friends do not see any good reason for you doing it - and think that you are deluded about your golf in the future - they will say - well - we can a see what you are saying - we do not think you are right - and they will point out all the risks. But if you feel you cannot afford the better ball and think you can play just as well with the budget ball - then go ahead - but don't say you weren't warned.

Scaremongering!!!!

 

[ColchesterFC]

Have seen the photo below shared on Facebook and Twitter today. I can't believe that someone within the Conservatives In campaign thought that they would get away with this and that these photos were a good idea..........



It seems as though with the Leave campaign failing to register any real damage on the Remain campaign they have decided to give them a chance by scoring an own goal or two.

And just in case you're wondering what the problem is there are 12 people in the top picture claiming to be from Kent Conservatives In who also appear in the second picture claiming to be from Sussex Conservatives In.

 

[SocketRocket]

Have seen the photo below shared on Facebook and Twitter today. I can't believe that someone within the Conservatives In campaign thought that they would get away with this and that these photos were a good idea..........

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It seems as though with the Leave campaign failing to register any real damage on the Remain campaign they have decided to give them a chance by scoring an own goal or two.

And just in case you're wondering what the problem is there are 12 people in the top picture claiming to be from Kent Conservatives In who also appear in the second picture claiming to be from Sussex Conservatives In.

Cameron and Osborne are finished whatever way the vote goes. If we leave they have damaged themselves too much to have any credibility and if we stay they will be on the line every time the EU benefits are found to be false.

 

[MarkE]

Have seen the photo below shared on Facebook and Twitter today. I can't believe that someone within the Conservatives In campaign thought that they would get away with this and that these photos were a good idea..........

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It seems as though with the Leave campaign failing to register any real damage on the Remain campaign they have decided to give them a chance by scoring an own goal or two.

And just in case you're wondering what the problem is there are 12 people in the top picture claiming to be from Kent Conservatives In who also appear in the second picture claiming to be from Sussex Conservatives In.

:lol: Can they sink any lower? Hilarious.:rofl: I see they are still misappropriating budgets, bussing supporters around the country, after doing the same in the general election.

 

[Hobbit]

:lol: Can they sink any lower? Hilarious.:rofl: I see they are still misappropriating budgets, bussing supporters around the country, after doing the same in the general election.

Makes you wonder what they fear? If they can't win fairly I'm tempted to ask why?

 

[MarkE]

OK, here are a few videos that make a very reasoned case for Brexit: Please try to take a little time to watch them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jpphRld42U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOi24TsK2c8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1P277pqQWU

These videos should be essential viewing for everyone, especially those undecided voters.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

These videos should be essential viewing for everyone, especially those undecided voters.

Definitely wouldn't sway them one way or another would they.