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England

chrisd said:
Sorry Stuart but I'm entitled to my opinion!

If Sterling qualifies to play for England I am very happy that he does so. When I was last in Jamaica I heard complaints from locals that they had British passports but couldn't get into the country whereas Albanians etc could just cross from Calais and be given a home and benefits
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I'm very offended by this post and it feels you're calling me a liar after i confirmed in black and white that i do and/or did NOT mean anything sinister/racist/fascist in that question i posed to you.

I'm honest lad and anybody who knows me personally on this site knows i'm none of the above.

Goodnight.
 
Liverbirdie said:
Chris, I think its more a case of not being too bothered.

Also can you say why a Manc, Scouser, Geordie SHOULD love their country more than their club side, which represent their own city,even if a 2 club city?
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I stated very early on that I support my country first and then my club. I want England, the UK and Great Britain to win every time at everything it enters and still stick with that view. It saddens me when others don't share the same view but it's a free country!
 
Blue in Munich said:
Chris, I fully expect JT to get booed by away fans, just as I as a fan will knock opposition players, that's the nature of the beast, but when he, Frank Lampard & Ashley Cole get booed for turning out for England because they are Chelsea players then that is not acceptable and if that is as it has ever been then I'm definitely club before country too.
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Spot on again.

Some are saying country before club, but when things go wrong - the scapegoats are picked based on who they play for. England fans are never united, with club rivalries also "kept alive" off the pitch also.
 
chrisd said:
I stated very early on that I support my country first and then my club. I want England, the UK and Great Britain to win every time at everything it enters and still stick with that view. It saddens me when others don't share the same view but it's a free country!
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Fair enough, no problem with that, but you keep saying people SHOULD have country first - you still haven't answered my question though.
 
As we now seem to be heading off in a completely different direction with this thread let's have a break until tomorrow, maybe folk will settle down overnight.
 
Liverbirdie said:
Fair enough, no problem with that, but you keep saying people SHOULD have country first - you still haven't answered my question though.
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Sorry Liverbirdie, the thread got closed for the night.

To answer your question, I passionately believe that being asked to do anything for your country is the pinnacle of anyone's career and therefore it goes without saying that country before club is right in my opinion. I quite get it that others would have a view diametrically opposite to this and whilst I get their reasons for putting club first, have to say, that I FEEL that they should put country first.

I realise there is no correct answer to this but I don't see why local rivalries affect peoples views of the national team. I personally loathe Man U but happily see their players in an England shirt. I quite get that others think differently.
 
Stuart_C said:
I'm very offended by this post and it feels you're calling me a liar after i confirmed in black and white that i do and/or did NOT mean anything sinister/racist/fascist in that question i posed to you.

I'm honest lad and anybody who knows me personally on this site knows i'm none of the above.

Goodnight.
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Stuart, I have not called you a liar.

I accept that you posted without any intent to offend, but, my reading of the post made me uncomfortable with what you wrote and that's what I tried to convey. I don't like the fact that a player can play for the country he's domiciled in once he's lived and played their for a certain period but equally don't think Raheem Sterling is a great example of someone who shouldn't play for the country where he has lived since before he was a teenager
 
chrisd said:
Sorry Liverbirdie, the thread got closed for the night.

To answer your question, I passionately believe that being asked to do anything for your country is the pinnacle of anyone's career and therefore it goes without saying that country before club is right in my opinion. I quite get it that others would have a view diametrically opposite to this and whilst I get their reasons for putting club first, have to say, that I FEEL that they should put country first.

I realise there is no correct answer to this but I don't see why local rivalries affect peoples views of the national team. I personally loathe Man U but happily see their players in an England shirt. I quite get that others think differently.
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Haven't (& wont) read all the pages of infighting to find out if this has cropped up but...

On the club before country aspect I guess we've all seen players really burst with pride when representing their country but also too many examples of missing a game only to be playing for themselves/club a couple of days later. And maybe that has an effect with the fans

Also you can easily imagine a fan who lives within a par5 of their local football club having a closer connection/affinity to the one they have with their country, who maybe play an entire grand prix distance away and the fan has never even been able to see live

Although it has to be said, to not support your country just because so&so club rival player is in the squad etc etc and they also scored against my club etc etc etc so therefore schoolboy logic says I cant like my country while he's there... is pretty weak logic
 
I am looking forward to Tuesdays game, Hodgson should be making lots of changes.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
How has he done with England ? How did he do with Blackburn ?

The record shows he does well at small clubs and countries - those facts are not being denied.
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Whether he does well with small clubs or otherwise he did NOT do well with a small club like Liverpool. Despite Blackburn being a small club they have won The Premiership which is more than can be said about Liverpool!
 
Doon frae Troon said:
I think Hodgson is just being gracious.

Gerrard was a decent player in his time but his time is over now at international level.
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Gotta say I bemused at playing lampard as captain. I know he may nit have one set in stone for qualifiers next year. But surely he could have just given it to hart and played a youthful team against Costa Rica?

lampard won't be around so what are we gonna learn?
 
I support club AND country with equal enthusiasm, it's not like I'll have to choose as I can't envisage them ever playing against each other!


Slime.
 
Papas1982 said:
Gotta say I bemused at playing lampard as captain. I know he may nit have one set in stone for qualifiers next year. But surely he could have just given it to hart and played a youthful team against Costa Rica?

lampard won't be around so what are we gonna learn?
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I don't agree with goalkeepers being captain, I want a captain that is more in-field or in touch with the outfield players and can lead by example and rally the troops when needed, I didn't see any of that in England's last 2 games for anyone! As for SG, I think he should bow out gracefully, he will not be at the top of his game for 2016 or the next world cup so lets make the changes now and bed someone in that will figure more in the future, unfortunately SG won't.

Talks of Rooney being captain disappoint me, he's not the right 'character' again for me, he can disappear but more importantly he's not a motivator towards others IMO, who would I have, TBH I'm not sure, I'm not too bothered about how many caps they already have or experience per se, more a case of 'can they lift a team or any given player when needed' and will they be around for the next 5 years for an England place?

As for Lamps on Tuesday, SG has had 2 games and won't feature in the future years much, if at all, so why not, OK Frank won't either but you need an 'old head' at times still out their to support the young guns in their 1st campaign/s and he's been an excellent servant so it will no doubt be his swan song.
 
Liverbirdie said:
Blue in Munich said:
Chris, when you see the players you support week in week out being booed by the mindless little Ingerlanders who turn out for internationals merely because of who they play for, rather than because of their performance, you start to see a reason or two to put club before country.
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Well said.
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If a little self-contradictory - or at least sinking to the same level!

The job of England Manager is a poisoned chalice - as was Hodgson's time at Liverpool, with the club up for sale and a legend in the background! The job itself is vastly different from that of the Manager of a Club, yet most fans see them as identical roles!

There are very few 'recent players' who have made the jump to management at a high level successfully. as previously posted, the Dutch experiment wasn't very successful. Roy Keane and Stuart Pearce both 'failed' and there have been several others before them.
 
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