England

[chrisd]

What is so wrong with the question? I'll simplify it for you.

Raheem Sterling was born in Kingston, Jamaica.

Yes he qualifies as a british citizen( and by the looks of the government, its not hard) as he was brought here at about the age of 10.

Is he still not a "foreigner" as he's not technically "Home Grown".

There's nothing sinister/racist/fascist or anything else YOU MAY misconstrued it to be.

Btw, these football eligibility rules are only to favour the premier league.

I still don't like the question phrased the way you have, I'm the only one who has posted on this subject but I MAY construe you're comments how I like and, to me, they don't seem too far away from being both sinister and racist but at the very least insensitive.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Funny in it?

The people who don't support the national team, have the most to say about them. What sickens me is that anyone would rather claim a bunch of foreign imports are more important to them, especially given that the ones who spend the most money buys the league. I personally can't comprehend why people wouldn't support their country at all, let alone put country before club

It's easy be brought up in the north, where England don't play.

Club before country every time, whether we are top of the prem,or bottom of lge 2.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Yes a big job he failed at - same with Blackburn and England - more suited to jobs like Fulham and West Brom where he can employ that tactics needed to keep those clubs in the Prem - that's the type of manager he is. The track record shows that.

But Phil, it doesn't. League titles in Europe, taken one of the biggest clubs to a European final, taking clubs that had never done well on a world stage in years if ever (swiss to a WC for first time sine 66, and a EC, UAE to an Asian Cup for first time). Lets not forget he's also on the FIFA technical panel of coaches so clearly well respected by his peers if not member of the GM Golf Forum. Please accept that we differ and stop trying to counter argue everything. To me, it seems his failure at Liverpool is the problem here (in my opinion at least) and not what he has or hasn't achieved before or after.

For now, he's remaining as England manager. If we get stuffed by Costa Rica that may change but for now like it or not he's the man trying to bring youth forward (as you argued in other threads) and build a new side to be competitive going forward. Sometimes it doesn't come straight away but England will get no stability if they chop and change managers after every tournament

 

[Deleted member 1740]

And finally there's the nub. It affected Liverpool. Forget everything else he's done like getting very small countries to the biggest stage in world football. He failed at Liverpool even though the fans were against him from day one, and he's a failure. As Imurg says , you're not listening or respecting other peoples opinions... again

To be fair LFC were in a bad mess at boardroom level and his appointment didn't help. He was appointed to help sell the club as he wouldn't rock the boat.

Fans were protesting about the Owners and Mr Hodgson blamed his poor tactics and signings( konchesky/Poulsen) on the fans not getting behind him, " That Lot" was his words.

Talk about making friends!

Back On Topic.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Funny in it?

The people who don't support the national team, have the most to say about them. What sickens me is that anyone would rather claim a bunch of foreign imports are more important to them, especially given that the ones who spend the most money buys the league. I personally can't comprehend why people wouldn't support their country at all, let alone put country before club

Chris, when you see the players you support week in week out being booed by the mindless little Ingerlanders who turn out for internationals merely because of who they play for, rather than because of their performance, you start to see a reason or two to put club before country.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You are telling all that employing gaffers that are not winners isn't the way to go. Go down the route of ex players too like the Germans.

The current boss had won hee haw as a gaffer and had not played at senior level.

Clear enough?

But but but but but....:smirk:

Loew earned his chance to be given the Germany role after impressing as assistant manager under Klinsman and begun part of the turn around of German football on the international stage - he as was a qualified coach winning trophies at Stuggart I believe as a coach and then his record earned him the chance and has gone on to prove it was a right choice.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

But Phil, it doesn't. League titles in Europe, taken one of the biggest clubs to a European final, taking clubs that had never done well on a world stage in years if ever (swiss to a WC for first time sine 66, and a EC, UAE to an Asian Cup for first time). Lets not forget he's also on the FIFA technical panel of coaches so clearly well respected by his peers if not member of the GM Golf Forum. Please accept that we differ and stop trying to counter argue everything. To me, it seems his failure at Liverpool is the problem here (in my opinion at least) and not what he has or hasn't achieved before or after.

For now, he's remaining as England manager. If we get stuffed by Costa Rica that may change but for now like it or not he's the man trying to bring youth forward (as you argued in other threads) and build a new side to be competitive going forward. Sometimes it doesn't come straight away but England will get no stability if they chop and change managers after every tournament

It shows he has done well with small unfaniced clubs and hit to a few finals but not won anything bar titles in a minor country

Swiss, Fulham , UAE ?! , West Brom etc -

For England he has failed - regardless of what panel he is on or who respects he etc but that's two tournaments now for him and his record is worse than previous managers before him. You can dress up what he has done at small clubs but doesn't change what has happened with England. England have gone backwards under Hodgson.

 

[Dodger]

Loew earned his chance to be given the Germany role after impressing as assistant manager under Klinsman and begun part of the turn around of German football on the international stage - he as was a qualified coach winning trophies at Stuggart I believe as a coach and then his record earned him the chance and has gone on to prove it was a right choice.

Right so you really don't know what the best route to go down for international management is?

If you are good enough by whatever entry avenue in you go.

Do you change your undercrackers as much as your mind?

 

[NWJocko]

Massive difference in the points of their careers as managers - Holland etc decided to get ex players backed by experienced coaches to become managers of their country same with clubs like Barce and Madrid .Fresh new people straight from playing with an idea of the modern game and those countries are reaping the benefits of those

Holland? You're aware that "failed" (Rijkaard and van Basten) and now thy have van Gaal yes?

 

[Deleted member 1740]

I still don't like the question phrased the way you have, I'm the only one who has posted on this subject but I MAY construe you're comments how I like and, to me, they don't seem too far away from being both sinister and racist but at the very least insensitive.

I've just told you that question isn't anything of the above.

Its a fair and open question that you've not answered which your entitled to tbf.

Just be careful using the foreigner stick.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Chris, when you see the players you support week in week out being booed by the mindless little Ingerlanders who turn out for internationals merely because of who they play for, rather than because of their performance, you start to see a reason or two to put club before country.

Well said.

 

[chrisd]

Chris, when you see the players you support week in week out being booed by the mindless little Ingerlanders who turn out for internationals merely because of who they play for, rather than because of their performance, you start to see a reason or two to put club before country.

I see it more as rivalry between clubs and the banter between fans, no it's not great that John Terry gets insulted at away grounds then cheered for England by the same fans but it's as it's ever been. I can't see how anyone who purports to love football doesn't want their country to be successful it's quite another thing when they are ambivalent about their national team though. I don't watch County cricket or club rugby union but love to watch my country in tests ( despite who plays)

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Chris, when you see the players you support week in week out being booed by the mindless little Ingerlanders who turn out for internationals merely because of who they play for, rather than because of their performance, you start to see a reason or two to put club before country.

Extremely well put. Very fair point

 

[Liverbirdie]

But Phil, it doesn't. League titles in Europe, taken one of the biggest clubs to a European final, taking clubs that had never done well on a world stage in years if ever (swiss to a WC for first time sine 66, and a EC, UAE to an Asian Cup for first time). Lets not forget he's also on the FIFA technical panel of coaches so clearly well respected by his peers if not member of the GM Golf Forum. Please accept that we differ and stop trying to counter argue everything. To me, it seems his failure at Liverpool is the problem here (in my opinion at least) and not what he has or hasn't achieved before or after.

For now, he's remaining as England manager. If we get stuffed by Costa Rica that may change but for now like it or not he's the man trying to bring youth forward (as you argued in other threads) and build a new side to be competitive going forward. Sometimes it doesn't come straight away but England will get no stability if they chop and change managers after every tournament

Homer, be fair - it's like the Moyes situation. Hodgson did very well at lower PRESSURE clubs, leagues, levels, but when given the big pressurised job(s) hasn't performed as well at that level.

 

[Liverbirdie]

I see it more as rivalry between clubs and the banter between fans, no it's not great that John Terry gets insulted at away grounds then cheered for England by the same fans but it's as it's ever been. I can't see how anyone who purports to love football doesn't want their country to be successful it's quite another thing when they are ambivalent about their national team though. I don't watch County cricket or club rugby union but love to watch my country in tests ( despite who plays)

Chris, I think its more a case of not being too bothered.

Also can you say why a Manc, Scouser, Geordie SHOULD love their country more than their club side, which represent their own city,even if a 2 club city?

 

[Blue in Munich]

I see it more as rivalry between clubs and the banter between fans, no it's not great that John Terry gets insulted at away grounds then cheered for England by the same fans but it's as it's ever been. I can't see how anyone who purports to love football doesn't want their country to be successful it's quite another thing when they are ambivalent about their national team though. I don't watch County cricket or club rugby union but love to watch my country in tests ( despite who plays)

Chris, I fully expect JT to get booed by away fans, just as I as a fan will knock opposition players, that's the nature of the beast, but when he, Frank Lampard & Ashley Cole get booed for turning out for England because they are Chelsea players then that is not acceptable and if that is as it has ever been then I'm definitely club before country too.

 

[chrisd]

I've just told you that question isn't anything of the above.

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Sorry Stuart but I'm entitled to my opinion!

If Sterling qualifies to play for England I am very happy that he does so. When I was last in Jamaica I heard complaints from locals that they had British passports but couldn't get into the country whereas Albanians etc could just cross from Calais and be given a home and benefits

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Chris, I fully expect JT to get booed by away fans, just as I as a fan will knock opposition players, that's the nature of the beast, but when he, Frank Lampard & Ashley Cole get booed for turning out for England because they are Chelsea players then that is not acceptable and if that is as it has ever been then I'm definitely club before country too.

Same when the Manc players were booed and also Liverpool players booed.

Know Terry got lots of stick

 

[chrisd]

Chris, I fully expect JT to get booed by away fans, just as I as a fan will knock opposition players, that's the nature of the beast, but when he, Frank Lampard & Ashley Cole get booed for turning out for England because they are Chelsea players then that is not acceptable and if that is as it has ever been then I'm definitely club before country too.

I understand your point and it really happens because they play in London and many of the fans support other London teams, I don't condone it but don't find it a reason to put club before country.

 

[Slime]

It shows he has done well with small unfaniced clubs and hit to a few finals but not won anything bar titles in a minor country

Swiss, Fulham , UAE ?! , West Brom etc -

For England he has failed - regardless of what panel he is on or who respects he etc but that's two tournaments now for him and his record is worse than previous managers before him. You can dress up what he has done at small clubs but doesn't change what has happened with England. England have gone backwards under Hodgson.

And if Liverpool finish no higher than 3rd next season, what will you say then?
Sack him for taking Liverpool backwards?


Slime.