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[Deleted member 15344]

No Stuart.Not bitter.I guess i just expected better.An English trait maybe.,but not bitter.

Stuart was right - you are bitter towards Gerrard and Liverpool players - it's clearly evident in your posts - but you're not on your own on here

 

[Pin-seeker]

Stuart was right - you are bitter towards Gerrard and Liverpool players - it's clearly evident in your posts - but you're not on your own on here

& you never show bitterness towards other players/teams/managers I suppose
You were only too happy to slate Rooney,yet when anyone slates Gerrard you're not happy about it. Please!

 

[Rumpokid]

Stuart was right - you are bitter towards Gerrard and Liverpool players - it's clearly evident in your posts - but you're not on your own on here

There you go again,sticking it in again.You don't know me,and i don't know you,I am not bitter,just have a difference of opinion, but you are always the one, making assumptions about folk..You could be a nice guy,like me maybe?...Have you thought about changing your medication?

 

[Rumpokid]

& you never show bitterness towards other players/teams/managers I suppose
You were only too happy to slate Rooney,yet when anyone slates Gerrard you're not happy about it. Please!

Cheers Pinseeker..Beginning to think i am in a club of one.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

just have a difference of opinion, but you are always the one, making assumptions about folk

Differences of opinions not allowed

 

[Blue in Munich]

As for Terry and Cole - haven't they been to previous tournaments when England have achieved nothing ?

Haven't Lampard & Gerrard, yet they went? There are probably others it applies to. Please note I named Lampard first before you try & talk it down as an anti-Gerrard rant rather than a reasonable comment.

Exactly, JT knows how to defend and sometimes that means taking one for the team.

Spot on.

Or taken him down outside the box. That's not me slagging JT, he'd have done what was needed.

Not ot sure he's ever had pace tbf but reads game quite well.

Perfectly fair comment on all fronts, pace is the one department where he's been lacking, but his ability to read the game more than covered that.

As for Cole/Terry not going you can't defend that decision when you've brought Smalling and Jones to replace them.

Couldn't have put that better myself. :thup:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

There you go again,sticking it in again.You don't know me,and i don't know you,I am not bitter,just have a difference of opinion, but you are always the one, making assumptions about folk..You could be a nice guy,like me maybe?...Have you thought about changing your medication?

Only have to read back through your constant posts slagging of both Liverpool players ( second rate I believe you called them ) and the constant slagging of Gerrard. It's bit rocket science to join the dots.

Everyone has difference of opinions - but sometimes they get clouded by bitterness towards certain things. You may not be bitter but you certainly have something against Liverpool

 

[guest100718]

There you go again,sticking it in again.You don't know me,and i don't know you,I am not bitter,just have a difference of opinion, but you are always the one, making assumptions about folk..You could be a nice guy,like me maybe?...Have you thought about changing your medication?

I ended up putting LP on ignore, he posts complete guff, gets into arguements and then reports youto mods, he probably argues with his own shadow.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Haven't Lampard & Gerrard, yet they went? There are probably others it applies to. Please note I named Lampard first before you try & talk it down as an anti-Gerrard rant rather than a reasonable comment.



Spot on.



Perfectly fair comment on all fronts, pace is the one department where he's been lacking, but his ability to read the game more than covered that.



Couldn't have put that better myself. :thup:

It is a reasonable comment.

I personally would have liked Gerrard to retire after the last EC but he wanted to stay as Captain so could see the merit of going with one or two experienced old heads - maybe Terry should have been an old head instead of Lampard as he has been superb this season but believe he did burn his bridges with England.

Hopefully will see Gerrard retire to concentrate on club football for his final years and let Barkley blossom in that role.

 

[guest100718]

Note to All. John terry was unavailable for selection.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Surely Gerrard is being slated because of his woeful performances.
Pretty sure if Rooney played as bad in the Uruguay game as he did v Italy he would be the one getting the stick.
But let's just pretend everyone's anti Gerrard:thup:

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Surely Gerrard is being slated because of his woeful performances.
Pretty sure if Rooney played as bad in the Uruguay game as he did v Italy he would be the one getting the stick.
But let's just pretend everyone's anti Gerrard:thup:

That takes all the fun out of it for the loudest voice. I think Lampard will call it quits when he gets home, especially if he takes up the option to play in the US or Australia that are on the table. If he does, I would hope Gerrard may hold on for a little longer. Despite his under par performances so far in Brazil there is only really him and Rooney that you'd call the elder statesmen in the squad right now and every team needs a degree of nous in it. Even if he is in the squad and used sparingly, either starting and coming off or to add something to help up hold onto results away from home, he'll help bring other players on.

 

[Imurg]

So after out poor World Cup display Rooney and Hart face the press today.

Where's the Captain at!?

If you're captain of your club/country you are the voice of the team and should attend all press conferences.

That just sums Gerrard up, hiding when it all goes wrong.

My take on this is similar.
England had just been eliminated from the biggest tournament in Football! losing their 2 opening games.
I know they have a rota for the Press Conferences but I'd have expected Roy and StevieG to be the first to face the press to start the explanations off.
Pretty poor show from England all round....

 

[Blue in Munich]

Note to All. John terry was unavailable for selection.

Note to guest100718; if the FA had allowed it, he'd have gone, but they wouldn't. The FA's attitude is what made him "unavailable" and Woy's line about him being unavailable because he's retired was the party line to deflect blame.

 

[Pin-seeker]

That takes all the fun out of it for the loudest voice. I think Lampard will call it quits when he gets home, especially if he takes up the option to play in the US or Australia that are on the table. If he does, I would hope Gerrard may hold on for a little longer. Despite his under par performances so far in Brazil there is only really him and Rooney that you'd call the elder statesmen in the squad right now and every team needs a degree of nous in it. Even if he is in the squad and used sparingly, either starting and coming off or to add something to help up hold onto results away from home, he'll help bring other players on.

I was surprised Lampard got picked tbh. Think you're right & he will call it a day. He's had a decent international career but not half as good as for club,pretty similar to Gerrard IMO.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Note to guest100718; if the FA had allowed it, he'd have gone, but they wouldn't. The FA's attitude is what made him "unavailable" and Woy's line about him being unavailable because he's retired was the party line to deflect blame.

It's Roy

 

[Foxholer]

Stuart was right - you are bitter towards Gerrard and Liverpool players - it's clearly evident in your posts - but you're not on your own on here

:rofl:

Have you considered that the criticism might actually be correct!

Gerrard was poor, certainly by his standards. And I'm certain he will stand down as Captain (and Internationals) but - as per another poster - not until after the tournament. Not sure who will replace him as Rooney doesn't seem to be the one, though he could be just as effective as Beckham - who I didn't think was 'Captain material' either!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Note to guest100718; if the FA had allowed it, he'd have gone, but they wouldn't. The FA's attitude is what made him "unavailable" and Woy's line about him being unavailable because he's retired was the party line to deflect blame.

The FA should never dictate which players should play for the country - the manager should have free reign on who he selects but Woy is a yes man hence following the party line

 

[Blue in Munich]

It is a reasonable comment.

I personally would have liked Gerrard to retire after the last EC but he wanted to stay as Captain so could see the merit of going with one or two experienced old heads - maybe Terry should have been an old head instead of Lampard as he has been superb this season but believe he did burn his bridges with England.

Hopefully will see Gerrard retire to concentrate on club football for his final years and let Barkley blossom in that role.

I thought that the FA burnt their bridges with him; he was tried in a court of law, which is why the FA supposedly didn't act initially, found not guilty and then the FA change the rules and charge him. Whereas others who have been found not guilty in court are welcomed back with open arms.

 

[bozza]

Liverpool fans seem to get really touchy when anyone dares to suggest their precious Stevie G is past it at international level.

If a player from my team plays bad I'll happily accept the criticism of them, hence why I thought Jags was poor and got found out and Baines didn't play that well either.

If you think Gerrard was anything other than poor at this World Cup you really need your head looking at.