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[HomerJSimpson]

I think you are twisting things a little....

He was stripped of the Captaincy - and Capello resigned because of that - until after the trial; the trial found him not guilty of the criminal offence; he was charged by the FA under its rules; he retired from International Football; an FA hearing (that started the following day) found him guilty.

There were no changes of rules as far as I can see. Can you point out which ones were changed?

That's how I read it too. It's irrelevant as whatever the underlying reasons behind his decision, he's called time on international football and so was unavailable for selection

 

[guest100718]

Oh really?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/wo...n-World-Cup-regrets-Roy-Hodgson.html#comments

oh really what? he retired end of. No daily mail trash changes that.

 

[Slime]

The FA should never dictate which players should play for the country - the manager should have free reign on who he selects but Woy is a yes man hence following the party line

You just can't help yourself, can you.
Any other afflictions that you regularly mock, or just those connected to speech?
You really do have no class.

Or because he wasn't at a press conference as was suggested early that he was hiding ?!

He didn't play well - no one has suggested he did - but to be singled out is wrong but it's not surprising.

Because that's never happened to Rooney or Welbeck, has it?


Slime.

 

[Blue in Munich]

That has never happened. The only manager that stood up to the FA was Ramsey. Please stop using "Woy" as it is just making fun of the guy's impediment. The yes man has always been picked. Why do you think Clough never got the job. Why do you think Redknapp never got it?

Homer, see paragraph 6;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17942091

Fulham fan aren't you?

I see I've been called for this by a couple of people; fine, if it offends people that much I'll stop, but the irony of being pulled for it on a forum where my team's name and manager's name are frequently reduced to equally derogatory nicknames isn't lost on me. So I'll be seeing that stop will I?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

People can be asked to come out of retirement to play again

Scholes was asked by England and turned it down


Expect if Terry was asked he would have played for England again but Woy was never going to ask him - The FA wouldn't like that

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Homer, see paragraph 6;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17942091

Fulham fan aren't you?

I see I've been called for this by a couple of people; fine, if it offends people that much I'll stop, but the irony of being pulled for it on a forum where my team's name and manager's name are frequently reduced to equally derogatory nicknames isn't lost on me. So I'll be seeing that stop will I?

Many names and people have had nicknames attached to them

Woy is one that has been used for Hodgson for as long as I can remember - even back to the 90's when he turned up. It's part and parcel of football banter - Liverpool players and fans etc have had nicknames etc used towards as have we towards Chelsea fans or Man UTD fans or players etc. People were clearly trying to create something out of nothing when I was using it ( had a nice little gang surround me ). If Hodgson wants people to stop calling him Woy then people will.

It hasn't ever bothered me. I'm used to it. And I'm sure it doesn't bother Roy. He is an incredibly well-read, intelligent man, he will take it as a joke”

Jonathan Ross (aka Wossy)

 

[Slime]

To be perfectly honest I've seen very very little of England or anything to do with them as i don't follow them and I've clearly stated that over the years. I'm still allowed an opinion though.

We all know that Gerrard is retiring after this comp and to me it was common knowledge so what he says or doesn't say in a press conference does really matter.

I quoted what you said as it seemed to me you were having a pop at Gerrard because of how he spoke at a press conference which is a cheap shot IMO.

All i want is all of the Liverpool players to get home injury free and go and have a well earned summer break and come back fighting for my club.

International football is a complete joke, riddled with corruption and nobody will ever change it.

Yes it does, he's the England captain. Just because it doesn't matter to you doesn't mean that it doesn't matter.

For international football read professional football, it really is pretty much the same.


Slime.

 

[Papas1982]

Homer, see paragraph 6;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17942091

Fulham fan aren't you?

I see I've been called for this by a couple of people; fine, if it offends people that much I'll stop, but the irony of being pulled for it on a forum where my team's name and manager's name are frequently reduced to equally derogatory nicknames isn't lost on me. So I'll be seeing that stop will I?

Ive seen Chelsea called chelski? Are you comparing a that to mocking a speech impediment?

I personally couldn't care about the woy name calling. I just think it's used by some, as a way to make him look less of a manger just because his reign at a certain club wasn't fantastic.

I still think of all the young English managers about none are more qualified than him.

Who would everyone pick out curiosity?

the last time we went for a young English coach with a proven record was McClaren. Ended well that didn't it?

 

[Deleted member 1740]

So what was so funny about it?

Gerrard set his club team mate up Luis Suarez with a flick on and his club team mate Luis Suarez who plays for the opposition went and scored and knocked Gerrards team out of the world cup!

7 weeks ago Gerrard slipped and handed city the title and everybody was ripping him, i wonder how many of those fans were mocking him against Uruguay??

Surely you can understand this......

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Homer, see paragraph 6;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17942091

Fulham fan aren't you?

I see I've been called for this by a couple of people; fine, if it offends people that much I'll stop, but the irony of being pulled for it on a forum where my team's name and manager's name are frequently reduced to equally derogatory nicknames isn't lost on me. So I'll be seeing that stop will I?

I am a Fulham fan and still didn't like our own fans using it. There was a lot of others that shared my views too. Just don't see it being big or clever to make fun of anyone with an affliction. That aside I still wish he'd come back to Craven Cottage. Best manager since McDonald in my opinion at the club

 

[Blue in Munich]

I think you are twisting things a little....

He was stripped of the Captaincy - and Capello resigned because of that - until after the trial; the trial found him not guilty of the criminal offence; he was charged by the FA under its rules; he retired from International Football; an FA hearing (that started the following day) found him guilty.

There were no changes of rules as far as I can see. Can you point out which ones were changed?

Change is possibly the wrong choice of words, however

The FA's Disciplinary Regulations, at 6.8, states that,"In any proceedings before a Regulatory Commission, the Regulatory Commission shall not be obliged to follow the strict rules of evidence, may admit such evidence as it thinks fit and record such evidence such weight as it thinks appropriate in all the circumstances. Where the subject matter of complaint or matter before the Regulatory Commission has been the subject of previous civil or criminal proceedings, the result of such proceedings and the facts and matters upon which such result is based shall be presumed to be correct and the facts presumed to be true unless it is shown, by clear and convincing evidence, that this is not the case."

So the basic premise is that if the FA leave it to the court of law & the court of law says it is not guilty then the FA leave it alone. But they didn't.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

It hasn't ever bothered me. I'm used to it. And I'm sure it doesn't bother Roy. He is an incredibly well-read, intelligent man, he will take it as a joke”

Jonathan Ross (aka Wossy)

If Ross says it then it must be gospel. Another person over paid for doing very little and who shouldn't be back on TV after the Sachs debacle. That said, enough from me (although I doubt others) as it takes away from the discussion on England which is the topic of the thread

 

[Rumpokid]

To be perfectly honest I've seen very very little of England or anything to do with them as i don't follow them and I've clearly stated that over the years. I'm still allowed an opinion though.

We all know that Gerrard is retiring after this comp and to me it was common knowledge so what he says or doesn't say in a press conference does really matter.

I quoted what you said as it seemed to me you were having a pop at Gerrard because of how he spoke at a press conference which is a cheap shot IMO.

All i want is all of the Liverpool players to get home injury free and go and have a well earned summer break and come back fighting for my club.

International football is a complete joke, riddled with corruption and nobody will ever change it.

What a load of claptrap.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Ive seen Chelsea called chelski? Are you comparing a that to mocking a speech impediment?

I personally couldn't care about the woy name calling. I just think it's used by some, as a way to make him look less of a manger just because his reign at a certain club wasn't fantastic.

I still think of all the young English managers about none are more qualified than him.

Who would everyone pick out curiosity?

the last time we went for a young English coach with a proven record was McClaren. Ended well that didn't it?

McClaren proven ?! In what way ? A league cup.

Hodgson - won nothing of note in his career

The reason why the get picked is because they are English and won't rock the boat

Both managers produce England's worst performances since 1980

If the FA only want to look at English then go to Southgate along with Pearce - and then let them bring in their U21 en mass and build from there

 

[Deleted member 1740]

His name is Roy ....................... with an R.
Take the mick by all means, but not out of people's afflictions.




Cole I agree with Terry couldn't be selected because HE HAS RETIRED!


Slime.

Terry is a proud Englishman and I'm pretty certain if he was approached to go to Brazil he would've.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Gerrard set his club team mate up Luis Suarez with a flick on and his club team mate Luis Suarez who plays for the opposition went and scored and knocked Gerrards team out of the world cup!

7 weeks ago Gerrard slipped and handed city the title and everybody was ripping him, i wonder how many of those fans were mocking him against Uruguay??

Surely you can understand this......

Surely you can see the difference. Club/country. Come on mate it's really not that hard.
I laughed when he slipped v Chelsea & handed it to City.
I didn't laugh when he gave it to Uruguay because I'm English.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

What a load of claptrap.

Its my honest opinion.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Surely you can see the difference. Club/country. Come on mate it's really not that hard.
I laughed when he slipped v Chelsea & handed it to City.
I didn't laugh when he gave it to Uruguay because I'm English.

And i laughed the other night because England as a football team i have no passion for.

Club over Country everyday of the week

 

[Deleted member 15344]

And i laughed the other night because England as a football team i have no passion for.

Club over Country everyday of the week

:thup:

 

[Dodger]

I enjoyed catching up on this thread.

It really is remarkable that a person that cares so little about his national side has so,so much to say about said national side.

Astonishing stuff.