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[HomerJSimpson]

Hodgson got mullered for being defensive when he took over and bit by bit added a more attacking flair to the side and now gets stick for being poor at the back. Only in England! Cole was a poor decision though and would have been much more solid at the back and given more going forward. Terry I'm afraid has had his day and too slow these days and would have been found out.

 

[Papas1982]

I'd say that depends on how hard they are gunning for you; I can think of others who have had easier passes for what I would consider worse transgressions, but I take your point.

Dont get me wrong. I think he should have been taken. I'd pick players on footballing reasons. The bridge incident was ridiculous, for all the morale moaning. Who'd of had bridge in their team anyway? The other incident, was just too messy.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Hodgson got mullered for being defensive when he took over and bit by bit added a more attacking flair to the side and now gets stick for being poor at the back. Only in England! Cole was a poor decision though and would have been much more solid at the back and given more going forward. Terry I'm afraid has had his day and too slow these days and would have been found out.

Suarez wouldn't have scored the 2nd goal with Terry playing as he would have read the situation better IMHO.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Hodgson got mullered for being defensive when he took over and bit by bit added a more attacking flair to the side and now gets stick for being poor at the back. Only in England! Cole was a poor decision though and would have been much more solid at the back and given more going forward. Terry I'm afraid has had his day and too slow these days and would have been found out.

And rightly so.

In the euros he had free reign expectations were as low as ever so there was no pressure on him. Even when he was defensive England didn't look scoring and was happy to play for pens from the 1st whistle v Italy.

The one thing he hasn't learned from that game is England need pace in the middle of the park ( Parker/Gerrard combo) so he threw paceless Gerrard and Henderson together

He then used 2 strikers as wide men. Welbeck walked straight into that team after having a terrible season for club. Other players who have had better seasons were sitting on the bench. Then his substitutions were clueless and lacked purpose.

As for Cole/Terry not going you can't defend that decision when you've brought Smalling and Jones to replace them.

 

[Papas1982]

Suarez wouldn't have scored the 2nd goal with Terry playing as he would have read the situation better IMHO.

Or taken him down outside the box. That's not me slagging JT, he'd have done what was needed.

Not ot sure he's ever had pace tbf but reads game quite well.

 

[chrisd]

The FA is, like all the minor F A's in the country are run by old duffers who haven't got a clue, that where the first clear out should be!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Hodgson playing attacking players doesn't automatically equal playing attacking tactics and attacking football

It was still ten men behind the ball will Sturridge isolated - it was still Gerrard and Henderson on the toes of the CB , it's was still a safety and hard work approach with players like Welbeck playing instead of Lallana

There was lots of talk of playing the Liverpool players but then not playing the same style - a high press against their back line , fullbacks as wingers - you leave yourself a bit open but you take the game to the Oppo - Hodgson didn't and won't do that and also won't change during the game - he never has been able to change things when things aren't going well. England players lack the ability to keep the ball and they don't have that extra something special

As for Terry and Cole - haven't they been to previous tournaments when England have achieved nothing ?

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Or taken him down outside the box. That's not me slagging JT, he'd have done what was needed.

Not ot sure he's ever had pace tbf but reads game quite well.

Exactly, JT knows how to defend and sometimes that means taking one for the team.

 

[guest100718]

Surely Gerrard isnt thinking of hanging on? Just retire now FFS.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Exactly, JT knows how to defend and sometimes that means taking one for the team.

Even if that means a red card???

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Even if that means a red card???

In that situation, knowing we needed a draw, yes

 

[Papas1982]

Even if that means a red card???

Red card an maybe a point that keeps us in with a shout?

 

[guest100718]

Exactly, JT knows how to defend and sometimes that means taking one for the team.

Lawro was banging about terry the other saying we should have persuaded terry out of retirement. Im glad we didnt, altough probably not taking cole was an error.

 

[Rumpokid]

Just seen Gerrard in press conference..His conviction to the cause was as good as his performance on the pitch..Alex can't wait to book holiday, and his England future is dependant on advice from others!!??!! Hmmm....Pathetic...

 

[Foxholer]

Hodgson got mullered for being defensive when he took over and bit by bit added a more attacking flair to the side and now gets stick for being poor at the back. Only in England!

Did they show any real attacking flair? At least those that weren't in an outright attacking position in the first place!

Were they poor at the back?

Again, I believe that it's a timing problem. This WC was always going to be 'difficult' (read impossible) for England. The real test for Hodgson - and I think he's as good as anyone for the job - is the next Euros. But several of the 'old guard' have to go imo. Cole was merely the first of them - and maybe a mistake brought about by tactics (that never came to fruition!).

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Just seen Gerrard in press conference..His conviction to the cause was as good as his performance on the pitch..Alex can't wait to book holiday, and his England future is dependant on advice from others!!??!! Hmmm....Pathetic...

I'm certain he is retiring, I just don't think he'd want all the furore around him whilst they're still out in Brazil.

It wouldn't look good the captain bailing a sinking ship 2/3's the way through a competition.

 

[Rumpokid]

I'm certain he is retiring, I just don't think he'd want all the furore around him whilst they're still out in Brazil.

It wouldn't look good the captain bailing a sinking ship 2/3's the way through a competition.

I never mentioned him retiring,or himself..His tone,furrowed brow (quite good at that), and his appreciation of Uruguay says loads...Rooney was more open, honest and blunt about things...Things a Captain should say..I am not advocating Rooney as Captain neither.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Did they show any real attacking flair? At least those that weren't in an outright attacking position in the first place!

Were they poor at the back?

Again, I believe that it's a timing problem. This WC was always going to be 'difficult' (read impossible) for England. The real test for Hodgson - and I think he's as good as anyone for the job - is the next Euros. But several of the 'old guard' have to go imo. Cole was merely the first of them - and maybe a mistake brought about by tactics (that never came to fruition!).

They were poor at the back, but I agree about the timing thing.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

I never mentioned him retiring,or himself..His tone,furrowed brow (quite good at that), and his appreciation of Uruguay says loads...Rooney was more open, honest and blunt about things...Things a Captain should say..I am not advocating Rooney as Captain neither.

You really are bitter towards Gerrard aren't you.

How many "Erm's" did Rooney use throughout his presser?

 

[Rumpokid]

You really are bitter towards Gerrard aren't you.

How many "Erm's" did Rooney use throughout his presser?

No Stuart.Not bitter.I guess i just expected better.An English trait maybe.,but not bitter.