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In my view, its not necessarily the players or the manager, it is how we actually play that is our failing (and always has). Here's why:

Defence: We mark space not men. Time after time we slot back into formation but we don't mark or track men. It makes it easier for the opposition to move into pockets of space in front of the back four. You look at the decent defending sides, they are mobile nd track runners. The Cavani chance early second half last night is a classic example of standing off and ball watching while the runners play round them. Chile play a heavy pressing game when they lose the ball - they swarm all over you. Not saying we should adopt this style, but we don't apply pressure or mark well enough.

Attack: Our passing recently has been better than in recent years. The failing is that we are too slow, too predictable and as with our defence, we're not mobile enough. The front men have got to move around more and quickly, pull the defence around to create opportunities. We rely too much on mistakes and set-pieces for our goals. Again, you only have to look at Chile, Columbia, Holland, Germany, etc. on how it should be done. It seems that the players are afraid to move out of position in case they are caught out of position - this was precisely the issue when we were flobbed 4-1 by Germany in the last WC.

I'm glad that we are trying to play more of passing game, dispelling the years of long-ball. We need though to take it to the next step and show unpredictability and quick movement upfront, and be more mobile and mark better in defence. Somehow (don't have answer) we have to change how the players play and that can't happen overnight.
 
Not all of them have been successful but I hear what your saying. I'd use there experience in teaching the kids about the game rather than coaching them.


Get them all involved and move past the old boys. England need a very big culture change within the grass roots of the game but too many look to blame the prem league and the clubs.
 
Oh and the one thing you don't do is critisize the oppositions best player just before you play them - motivates them slightly

Suarez has come out and said that Hodgsons critiscim of him spurned him on !
Wow.Great observation Sherlock..So how do you explain the game against Italy,when Ballotelli criticized the whole team?...Sure spurned us on.To many bridesmaids in the side,that are still hurting.
 
Wow.Great observation Sherlock..So how do you explain the game against Italy,when Ballotelli criticized the whole team?...Sure spurned us on.To many bridesmaids in the side,that are still hurting.

Bridesmaids ? Didn't realise the thread had turned to weddings ?

Balotelli wasn't critisizing one of the best in the world who could easily damage any team in the world.
 
Anybody else think the link up play for the second goal between Gerrard and Suarez quite simply brilliant?............. Wonder if Gerrard knew he was playing for England and not Liverpool. :whistle:
 
Agree.Was a great cushioned header,bit like the challenge on Suarez in first half he bottled out of.

Those 2 certainly link up well, perhaps gerrard will go to real too, like 5 bellies and gazza.....
 
I thought England played pretty well in both the games, slightly unlucky.
I am glad that Hodgson is not quitting, he seems the best long term bet for England.
There are a group of young players coming through who seem to be playing with far less fear than previous England players.
I hope they get a decent chance and don't get coached out of playing direct football.

Tippy Tappy has failed miserably and more direct attacking football seems to be the new trend.
 
I thought England played pretty well in both the games, slightly unlucky.
I am glad that Hodgson is not quitting, he seems the best long term bet for England.
There are a group of young players coming through who seem to be playing with far less fear than previous England players.
I hope they get a decent chance and don't get coached out of playing direct football.

Tippy Tappy has failed miserably and more direct attacking football seems to be the new trend.

Are you being serious ?

For the sake of English football the sooner they stop coaching direct football the better !

England have been playing direct football for decades and got them nowhere.

Hodgson should be nowhere near those players in fear of ruining their careers for England.
 
Are you being serious ?

For the sake of English football the sooner they stop coaching direct football the better !

England have been playing direct football for decades and got them nowhere.

Hodgson should be nowhere near those players in fear of ruining their careers for England.

I see you chose to miss out the 'without fear' bit.
 
I see you chose to miss out the 'without fear' bit.


What difference does that make to the post ?

Your idea of football is exactly the opposite of what England or in fact any team needs - it's straight out of the Woy book of plays and belongs in the 60's

Direct football helps less talented teams avoid relegation - see Bolton and West Ham as perfect examples.
 
I reckon fear overcometh the England players - fear that they do not experience when they are playing 'for fun' for their EPL clubs and so fear that they are unable to cope with when playing for England. They are emotionally probably quite immature.
 
I thought England played pretty well in both the games, slightly unlucky.
I am glad that Hodgson is not quitting, he seems the best long term bet for England.
There are a group of young players coming through who seem to be playing with far less fear than previous England players.
I hope they get a decent chance and don't get coached out of playing direct football.

Tippy Tappy has failed miserably and more direct attacking football seems to be the new trend.
Load of rubbish.Might be good enough for Scotland,but not England.
 
That tippy tappy style of football worked ok for Spain. Arguably the most successful international squad in history, no other team has done what they have, pretty much untouchable for 6 or 7 years.

One bad tournament and that style of playing has 'failed miserably'. Really? Keeping possession is now a bad thing?
 
These kind of navel gazing recriminations are about as predictable as us going out of a major tournament early. I don't know where this sense of entitlement comes from. The fact is we lost to 2 teams ranked higher than us in the world rankings. Is it really that much of a surprise ?? It also makes me laugh when any togetherness we have disintegrates at the first sign of any set back.

We have no right to expect to succeed, we never have!! Our system is set up for club football not national success.

My little boy was gutted this morning when he found out we lost. He'd better get used to that feeling if he's gonna support England.

My only disappointment is that it wasn't a glorious failure, I like a glorious failure, think Italy 1990, that was glorious !!
 
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