England

[bozza]

You hit the nail on the head, most players are in that league for a reason and I agree with you and others who have put forward that argument, but why limit ourselves to picking the same players when there might be a few players in lower leagues that can do a job for England. Use the scouting network and give others a chance to shine.



You're right it is becoming tiresome, but it's not going away and if anything it's getting worse. The dilution of the premiership with foreign players has just about reached saturation point and until something is done about it our national game will not be able to compete with the other major nations, England will just be also rans.

Sorry majority of lower league players aren't good enough.

You can't tell if players are good enough at a world class level unless they are tested week in week out against other world class players.

If a young player stands out in lower leagues usually a premiership club signs them, loans them back to a championship side to gain experience and monitor them and if they think they are good enough they will be given a chance for the parent club.

 

[bozza]

Makalele was one of the greatest holding players around - he didn't put in "hard tackles"

But he protected his defence, Gerrard doesn't.

 

[bozza]

Do you think Paul Mcginley will be looking at golfer's on the challenge tour for his picks for the Ryder Cup?

No he won't because they aren't good enough, don't compete against the top players in the world and mainly play on easier courses.

It's exactly the same in football, you have to pick players that are competing at the top end week in week out not some cart horse from league 2.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

But he protected his defence, Gerrard doesn't.

England got beat by two quality finishes - the cb's positioning was poor - Gerrard or any holding mid won't stop every attack reaching the CB's and that's where you need your CB to step up - and they didn't

It's clear for some that Gerrard and indeed Liverpool players ( for some ) have been made the scapegoat for the defeat and it that makes people feel better about it and ignore the obvious tactical issues then away they go.

Hodgson is a manager who is used to fighting for points to survive - he employs defensive tactics hence 6 men behind the ball but with poor communication and positioning - it's exactly what we saw at Liverpool and it doesn't work.

Even when England where pushing high he still had both sitting a lot

The first thing England need to do is to replace Woy .

 

[richy]

Gerrard has been our worst player over the two games. Can't see how anyone can say otherwise

 

[richy]

England got beat by two quality finishes - the cb's positioning was poor - Gerrard or any holding mid won't stop every attack reaching the CB's and that's where you need your CB to step up - and they didn't

It's clear for some that Gerrard and indeed Liverpool players ( for some ) have been made the scapegoat for the defeat and it that makes people feel better about it and ignore the obvious tactical issues then away they go.

Hodgson is a manager who is used to fighting for points to survive - he employs defensive tactics hence 6 men behind the ball but with poor communication and positioning - it's exactly what we saw at Liverpool and it doesn't work.

Even when England where pushing high he still had both sitting a lot

The first thing England need to do is to replace Woy .

Who would you replace him with? Seriously?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Gerrard has been our worst player over the two games. Can't see how anyone can say otherwise

Yes you said as such in another thread

If you can't see how anyone can say otherwise then it's not worth anyone bothering to disagree

 

[Beezerk]

It's clear for some that Gerrard and indeed Liverpool players ( for some ) have been made the scapegoat for the defeat and it that makes people feel better about it and ignore the obvious tactical issues then away they go.

Disagree with that mate, I recall there being a chant of "Liverpool, Liverpool... etc" during the 2nd half when Sturridge (I think it was him) lost the ball. Quite a nice moment in the game I thought.

 

[Tashyboy]

Well where do you start.
Brendan Rodgers for England, why? yes he's had one good season but won nowt. Finished runners up but played the premiership and no other cup comps for nigh on 5 months. city Chelsea or Arsenal would of won the premiership in. March if they were in that position. But will deffo agree that people like Brendon and his coaching style of football need encouraging.

Rooney, his name has got him in the last two games. His finishing was atrocious for a "world class striker". We are trying to put round pegs in square holes with him. If he is not the best in his position (Sturridge is) then drop him. What was that all about playing him on the left wing. Why Try summat in the World Cup finals when you had two freindlys in. Miami.

Last night, we needed to win the game and played with two holding midfielders in Gerrard and Henderson. eh they could not hold my crutch. Is there anyone in England apart from. Roy Hodgson that thinks Henderson is good enough to play centre mid for England. Why the hell did Jack Wilshire not get on.

Gary Neville gone on record and said V Italy it was the best performance in 15 years. Er, We lost 2-1 Gaz. Twice against average teams. Thank god we don't have to play v Holland Argies, Germany, Costa Rica. Oops there next.

where do we go from here. What is the nucleus of last nights team that will take us to the European championships. Please can anyone tell me. Coz I just cannot see it. HAving seen lasts night team selection and performance the fannying about with Rooney I am convinced that Roy is not the man. But I do not have a clue who is. . Maybe someone like Hoddle.

whatever the FA need to sort out coaching from grass roots and get it sorted out now.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Who would you replace him with? Seriously?

Klopp
De Boer
Clough
Seedorf
Bergkamp

Take your pick of many people around the game who has played at the highest level and get them young hungry coaches.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Well where do you start.
Brendan Rodgers for England, why? yes he's had one good season but won nowt. Finished runners up but played the premiership and no other cup comps for nigh on 5 months. city Chelsea or Arsenal would of won the premiership in. March if they were in that position. But will deffo agree that people like Brendon and his coaching style of football need encouraging.

Rooney, his name has got him in the last two games. His finishing was atrocious for a "world class striker". We are trying to put round pegs in square holes with him. If he is not the best in his position (Sturridge is) then drop him. What was that all about playing him on the left wing. Why Try summat in the World Cup finals when you had two freindlys in. Miami.

Last night, we needed to win the game and played with two holding midfielders in Gerrard and Henderson. eh they could not hold my crutch. Is there anyone in England apart from. Roy Hodgson that thinks Henderson is good enough to play centre mid for England. Why the hell did Jack Wilshire not get on.

Gary Neville gone on record and said V Italy it was the best performance in 15 years. Er, We lost 2-1 Gaz. Twice against average teams. Thank god we don't have to play v Holland Argies, Germany, Costa Rica. Oops there next.

where do we go from here. What is the nucleus of last nights team that will take us to the European championships. Please can anyone tell me. Coz I just cannot see it. HAving seen lasts night team selection and performance the fannying about with Rooney I am convinced that Roy is not the man. But I do not have a clue who is. . Maybe someone like Hoddle.

whatever the FA need to sort out coaching from grass roots and get it sorted out now.

Wilshire has done nothing to justify his hype and certainly done nothing to justify starting for England

Henderson does a lot of work that he won't ever get credit for

 

[bozza]

England got beat by two quality finishes - the cb's positioning was poor - Gerrard or any holding mid won't stop every attack reaching the CB's and that's where you need your CB to step up - and they didn't

It's clear for some that Gerrard and indeed Liverpool players ( for some ) have been made the scapegoat for the defeat and it that makes people feel better about it and ignore the obvious tactical issues then away they go.

Hodgson is a manager who is used to fighting for points to survive - he employs defensive tactics hence 6 men behind the ball but with poor communication and positioning - it's exactly what we saw at Liverpool and it doesn't work.

Even when England where pushing high he still had both sitting a lot

The first thing England need to do is to replace Woy .

Nah people aren't making Liverpool players scapegoats at all, Gerrard has had 2 bad games, jags has had a poor one also and im a Everton fan.

Gerrard hasn't got the legs anymore, we need a younger player that has the legs to dirty work of breaking up play, put himself about a bit and set up a quick counter attack.

 

[Beezerk]

Klopp
De Boer
Clough
Seedorf
Bergkamp

Take your pick of many people around the game who has played at the highest level and get them young hungry coaches.

These are the type of people who need to be in charge of youth development. Waddle, Anderton, Shearer, Sheringham, Scholes to name but a few. Who do we get, Trevor Brooking and some numpties I've never even heard of. Hardly inspiring for the kids is it?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

These are the type of people who need to be in charge of youth development. Waddle, Anderton, Shearer, Sheringham, Scholes to name but a few. Who do we get, Trevor Brooking and some numpties I've never even heard of. Hardly inspiring for the kids is it?

Would also add Dixon and Keown into the list.

 

[Beezerk]

Would also add Dixon and Keown into the list.

Yes definitely.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Yes definitely.

The FA won't touch them and also won't touch another foreign coach ! Hodgson is perfect for them

 

[Marshy77]

These are the type of people who need to be in charge of youth development. Waddle, Anderton, Shearer, Sheringham, Scholes to name but a few. Who do we get, Trevor Brooking and some numpties I've never even heard of. Hardly inspiring for the kids is it?

Not trying to be argumentative but why? Unless they've done there badges and are willing to leave the commentary jobs and put 100% into getting the youth and grass roots on track then it needs to be done with proper fully qualified coaches or there's no real point. Get them in to take a session or so and talk to the kids but not to coach them without full qualifications. Think Scholes and Sheringham have, not sure about the others.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Not trying to be argumentative but why? Unless they've done there badges and are willing to leave the commentary jobs and put 100% into getting the youth and grass roots on track then it needs to be done with proper fully qualified coaches or there's no real point. Get them in to take a session or so and talk to the kids but not to coach them without full qualifications. Think Scholes and Sheringham have, not sure about the others.

Qualifications are great for coaches - but nothing beats experience

Ex players like Carragher and Scholes are doing their coaching - but our FA will never have the balls to do what both Germany or indeed Holland have done by giving these ex players a chance

Look at the list over the last ten years of ex players abroad in top jobs

Pep
Enrique
Inzahgi
Leonardo
Kinsman
De Boer
Laudrap
Rijkaard
Seedorf

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Oh and the one thing you don't do is critisize the oppositions best player just before you play them - motivates them slightly

Suarez has come out and said that Hodgsons critiscim of him spurned him on !

 

[Marshy77]

Qualifications are great for coaches - but nothing beats experience

Ex players like Carragher and Scholes are doing their coaching - but our FA will never have the balls to do what both Germany or indeed Holland have done by giving these ex players a chance

Look at the list over the last ten years of ex players abroad in top jobs

Pep
Enrique
Inzahgi
Leonardo
Kinsman
De Boer
Laudrap
Rijkaard
Seedorf

Not all of them have been successful but I hear what your saying. I'd use there experience in teaching the kids about the game rather than coaching them.