England

[Khamelion]

Who is the next England manager , young one that is , Nigel Clough ? Tim Sherwood maybe or ????????

Someone who is not a 'Yes' man, someone with his own way of thinking, someone with a backbone.

 

[richy]

The England squad always gets picked from the same pool of 40-50 players from the premiership.

Why?

Why pick the same players over and over when they do not perform?

Why not cast the net further out and bring in good players from lower leagues?

Do the England management not have a scouting network? Could they not try a player from a Div 2 team in a friendly?

Why do we have to suffer the same old faces under performing game after game?

Until the FA removes it's blinkers, picks a manager with some balls and the where withal to stick two fingers up to the establishment and picks a team he wants not what the media or public want, England will suffer.

Are you for real? Pick players from Div 2, do you mean league 2?

If you think we're poor at the moment wait until we have a team full of players from lower leagues. They won't have the technique or fitness to compete for 90 minutes at international level against world class opposition.

I know it's poor at the moment but they're the best we have

 

[Beezerk]

Funny ain't it, everyone I've spoken to today has suddenly become the next England manager

 

[JCW]

Funny ain't it, everyone I've spoken to today has suddenly become the next England manager

Lets face it , how can any of us do any worse , Pick the same old failures over and over again , this world cup England has done worst then any other , Costa Rica will beat us and then maybe things will change , pigs will fly 1st huh

 

[Hacker Khan]

Lets face it , how can any of us do any worse , Pick the same old failures over and over again , this world cup England has done worst then any other , Costa Rica will beat us and then maybe things will change , pigs will fly 1st huh

Again, you seem to be getting a bit confused, harping on about the golden generation and the same old failures. For all his failings, and he has many, Roy picked a relatively new starting 11 containing some young exciting attacking players. If he'd of picked Lampard and Gerrard in midfield, Cole at left back and Gary Neville at right back then some of your rantings about the golden generation may have had a bit of credibility. But he did not, he mostly picked players that the majority of press/fans would have picked.

The simple truth is that we are just not good enough, especially in defense, we are caught between our old style of hoof it and the new style of keeping possession, and do neither well. And picking Gerrard/Rooney or dropping them would have made sod all difference. There were plenty of young exciting players that did not step up to the mark last night.

 

[Rumpokid]

England have been poor in both games. End of.
As viewed from the missus's eyes who does not follow football, her comment was,"why does no-one pass it to each other". enough said.
From my perspective,said before results, Terry and Cole should have gone, i know issues with Terry,but good centre half.
Baines out of his depth,to soon for him.
I am Jags fan, seen him plenty at the Lane,but to soon for him also.
Hart, comes way to far off his line a lot of the time.To hyped up.
Side was made up of too many second rate Liverpool players,so we got our justs.
Never thought Gerrard's head would be together, after end of prem season.
Sterling will be another John Barnes.
So all in all, after 2 of their most important matches to date, we were outplayed, outthought, and outclassed...
....By the way, it pains me to say it, as i am an England fan,not a non-supporter like some....There is no easy answer, or fix that i can see happening to the way we play for years come..And yes,Hodgson should take a lot of the flak too.Couldn't change things when needed.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Last time England played any good in a world cup was in 1990 and 96 in the Euros , did ok in 2006 then the golden generation took over and we kept playing Lampard with Steven G , never worked , now for the 1st time in years we have a great bunch of young players , we are still playing these guys that have failed badly for years , after this WC we should have a clear out , young manager , young players , Rooney and co , thank you very much but you not needed no more as we know what you can do and its time to move on ....................EYG

It's a falicy that England played well in 1990. They struggled to get out of their group, only winning one out of the 3 games and that was 1-0 against Egypt. We then just beat Belgium in extra time thanks to a wonder goal after being 2nd best for most of the game, scraped past Cameroon thanks to a penalty 7 minutes before the end of the game to bring it to 2-2, then another penalty in extra time. Then we played OK against Germany, but lost our bottle when it came to the penalties.

All the Gazza crying and nesum dorma kind of make people see it through rose tinted spectacles. We progressed further than we have done in a long time and had a lot of luck, but did not actually play that well. Plus it was a very poor tournament with very negative football.

 

[bozza]

The England squad always gets picked from the same pool of 40-50 players from the premiership.

Why?

Why pick the same players over and over when they do not perform?

Why not cast the net further out and bring in good players from lower leagues?

Do the England management not have a scouting network? Could they not try a player from a Div 2 team in a friendly?

Why do we have to suffer the same old faces under performing game after game?

Until the FA removes it's blinkers, picks a manager with some balls and the where withal to stick two fingers up to the establishment and picks a team he wants not what the media or public want, England will suffer.

The reason the same group of players get picked for the national side because the premier league ifs flooded with foreign players.

We just don't have enough good English talent coming through or getting the chance at the big clubs because the foreign billionaire owners want the big name foreign players to sell their club and win them trophies.

Until this and the coaching at grassroots is sorted out by the FA we will never do well in a major tournament.

 

[bozza]

And as for Gerrard, supposed to be a holding midfielder and protect his defence, I can only remember him putting in 1 hard tackle to let the opposition know he's there in 2 games.

Should do the decent thing and announce his retirement from international football after the World Cup.

 

[Khamelion]

Are you for real? Pick players from Div 2, do you mean league 2?

If you think we're poor at the moment wait until we have a team full of players from lower leagues. They won't have the technique or fitness to compete for 90 minutes at international level against world class opposition.

I know it's poor at the moment but they're the best we have

Yes I am for real.

If a player is good enough to be in the England squad, he should be given as good a shout as any other player. Why does the selection pool have to be limited to the premiership?

The England squad are a group of individuals who play infrequently together, the only time they train together is in the run up to tournaments or a couple of days before a friendly. So what makes a group of premiership individuals any different to a group that contains players from the lower leagues?

England has system of playing, which the players have to adopt and learn when the squad gets together, so why not pick some lower league players, even if it is just to train with the team, you might find that one person who is brilliant, you might not.

If you want a cohesive squad that knows each other inside and out, then pick the entire Liverpool, Arsenal, Newcastle, Everton, Man U or City team, oh wait a minute you can't as all of those teams barely have one Englishmen in the first team.

The fact that most premiership teams are made up of foreign imports means the pool of premiership players to pick from is quite small, so going back to my point of picking from lower leagues, why not expand the pool of available players rather then limit yourself from the pool of players in the premiership.

 

[bozza]

That's like saying pick a 18 h/c for the Ryder Cup team!

Most league 2 players are in that league for a reason, the fitness and skill levels compared to a premiership footballer is massive.

I used to work with a ex pro who played for West Brom and they got Arsenal in a cup game and he said the difference in there fitness and skill was massive, he was marking Vieira and he said he was just chasing his shadow all game.

 

[Papas1982]

Yes I am for real.

If a player is good enough to be in the England squad, he should be given as good a shout as any other player. Why does the selection pool have to be limited to the premiership?

The England squad are a group of individuals who play infrequently together, the only time they train together is in the run up to tournaments or a couple of days before a friendly. So what makes a group of premiership individuals any different to a group that contains players from the lower leagues?

England has system of playing, which the players have to adopt and learn when the squad gets together, so why not pick some lower league players, even if it is just to train with the team, you might find that one person who is brilliant, you might not.

If you want a cohesive squad that knows each other inside and out, then pick the entire Liverpool, Arsenal, Newcastle, Everton, Man U or City team, oh wait a minute you can't as all of those teams barely have one Englishmen in the first team.

The fact that most premiership teams are made up of foreign imports means the pool of premiership players to pick from is quite small, so going back to my point of picking from lower leagues, why not expand the pool of available players rather then limit yourself from the pool of players in the premiership.

I think the foreign player argument is tiresome. We've won 1 tournament in our entire history, and that was at home. We're too many foreigners to blame for all the other failures?

i think we needed to do what Germany did a few years back and entirely wrote this one off. For the euro qualifiers I'd not pick anybody over 28. That's not to say you're over the hill at 30. But they need to get a settled group.

 

[Khamelion]

That's like saying pick a 18 h/c for the Ryder Cup team!

Most league 2 players are in that league for a reason, the fitness and skill levels compared to a premiership footballer is massive.

You hit the nail on the head, most players are in that league for a reason and I agree with you and others who have put forward that argument, but why limit ourselves to picking the same players when there might be a few players in lower leagues that can do a job for England. Use the scouting network and give others a chance to shine.

I think the foreign player argument is tiresome.

You're right it is becoming tiresome, but it's not going away and if anything it's getting worse. The dilution of the premiership with foreign players has just about reached saturation point and until something is done about it our national game will not be able to compete with the other major nations, England will just be also rans.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

England have been poor in both games. End of.
As viewed from the missus's eyes who does not follow football, her comment was,"why does no-one pass it to each other". enough said.
From my perspective,said before results, Terry and Cole should have gone, i know issues with Terry,but good centre half.
Baines out of his depth,to soon for him.
I am Jags fan, seen him plenty at the Lane,but to soon for him also.
Hart, comes way to far off his line a lot of the time.To hyped up.
Side was made up of too many second rate Liverpool players,so we got our justs.
Never thought Gerrard's head would be together, after end of prem season.
Sterling will be another John Barnes.
So all in all, after 2 of their most important matches to date, we were outplayed, outthought, and outclassed...
....By the way, it pains me to say it, as i am an England fan,not a non-supporter like some....There is no easy answer, or fix that i can see happening to the way we play for years come..And yes,Hodgson should take a lot of the flak too.Couldn't change things when needed.

I do hope Sterling will be another Barnes

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Yes I am for real.

If a player is good enough to be in the England squad, he should be given as good a shout as any other player. Why does the selection pool have to be limited to the premiership?

The England squad are a group of individuals who play infrequently together, the only time they train together is in the run up to tournaments or a couple of days before a friendly. So what makes a group of premiership individuals any different to a group that contains players from the lower leagues?

England has system of playing, which the players have to adopt and learn when the squad gets together, so why not pick some lower league players, even if it is just to train with the team, you might find that one person who is brilliant, you might not.

If you want a cohesive squad that knows each other inside and out, then pick the entire Liverpool, Arsenal, Newcastle, Everton, Man U or City team, oh wait a minute you can't as all of those teams barely have one Englishmen in the first team.

The fact that most premiership teams are made up of foreign imports means the pool of premiership players to pick from is quite small, so going back to my point of picking from lower leagues, why not expand the pool of available players rather then limit yourself from the pool of players in the premiership.

Sorry but the reason why the players that get picked are from the top teams is because that's where the best English players play

If a player in the lower divisions is good enough to play at the higher level then he will be spotted and will be picked up by a better club

The players play in the lower divisions because that's where the level of their talent means they play.

Can you name a player from the lower divisions that should be in the England squad

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Well Scotland does. And we may not be that good but we seem to have a good team spirit with the manager and to be developing into something reasonable. So why not. Just pick players from Championship down.

And Scotland never qualify for a tournament - that's why you don't pick from lower leagues - but well done on the team spirit - do you get a trophy for it

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Well said , jobs for the boys comes to mind , the old guard keep playing and the young talent looks on , same with cricket , you have to be in your late 20`s to get in , India gave sachin his debut at 17 , we dont do that and it be 2066 before England win again

Root , Ballance , Robson , Stokes , Bairstow , Borthwick , Buttler , Jordan , Finn ,

I'm not sure if you have watched England cricket over the last 10 years at all .

 

[Khamelion]

Can you name a player from the lower divisions that should be in the England squad

No I cannot, but then I'm not a football scout travelling the country watching games.

You are correct in thinking that if a lower league player is good enough for England the it won't be long before a top club signs him up.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

No I cannot, but then I'm not a football scout travelling the country watching games.

You are correct in thinking that if a lower league player is good enough for England the it won't be long before a top club signs him up.

So does that not suggest that if they are good enough they will be playing in the Prem.

The scouting network of clubs is massive - not many slip through the grasps of Prem clubs

Lower league players play in the lower league because that's how good they are - not international players

 

[Deleted member 15344]

And as for Gerrard, supposed to be a holding midfielder and protect his defence, I can only remember him putting in 1 hard tackle to let the opposition know he's there in 2 games.

Should do the decent thing and announce his retirement from international football after the World Cup.

Makalele was one of the greatest holding players around - he didn't put in "hard tackles"