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Very disappointed with tonight's performance , the Italy game gave me some encouragement with what I thought was a good performance with some good attacking play with pace and some slick passing. But tonight was back to the same old England very slow build up with no real pace and some woefull passing.

Hope Roy drops Gerrard ,Wellbeck, Johnson,Henderson who played well but IMO we have better players than him, and give the younger players a chance with a eye to the future.

I think Rooney still has a role to play with England but wouldn't play him in the game against Costa Rica.

Feel a bit sad for Gerrard to finish his England career on such a low point as he's been a great player for England.
 
Being honest Uruguay weren't any better than they were against Costa Rica, it's just we were worse. They only had 2 shots on target and scored them both. We had better chances and if we'd of taken them we'd of won.
 
richy said:
Being honest Uruguay weren't any better than they were against Costa Rica, it's just we were worse. They only had 2 shots on target and scored them both. We had better chances and if we'd of taken them we'd of won.
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Yeah but the team had a different vibe last night, not quite sure what made such a difference from the Italy game.
 
When Gerrard said with the score at 1-1 "maybe we should have been more experienced"

"At 1-1 as a team we sort of went for the second goal and maybe we should have been more experienced and gone for the draw".

Is it out of context or is he having a go at team selection/inclusion of the younger players in the squad? Or did they perhaps not take direction from him during this phase of the game?

As team captain & with three major tournaments behind him surely he couldn't be talking about his own contribution being due to inexperience

What do others think he meant!
 
Slab said:
When Gerrard said with the score at 1-1 "maybe we should have been more experienced"

"At 1-1 as a team we sort of went for the second goal and maybe we should have been more experienced and gone for the draw".

Is it out of context or is he having a go at team selection/inclusion of the younger players in the squad? Or did they perhaps not take direction from him during this phase of the game?

As team captain & with three major tournaments behind him surely he couldn't be talking about his own contribution being due to inexperience

What do others think he meant!
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What England were doing at 1-1 was fine and in truth, Uruguay looked rattled, what you can't account for is schoolboy defending.
 
Another World cup where Englands big players have failed to show up. Is Gerrard calling it a day after this? I hope so.
 
Last time England played any good in a world cup was in 1990 and 96 in the Euros , did ok in 2006 then the golden generation took over and we kept playing Lampard with Steven G , never worked , now for the 1st time in years we have a great bunch of young players , we are still playing these guys that have failed badly for years , after this WC we should have a clear out , young manager , young players , Rooney and co , thank you very much but you not needed no more as we know what you can do and its time to move on ....................EYG
 
Still at least gerrard won a "double", losing the league for liverpool and getting England knocked out of the World Cup.
 
JCW said:
Last time England played any good in a world cup was in 1990 and 96 in the Euros , did ok in 2006 then the golden generation took over and we kept playing Lampard with Steven G , never worked , now for the 1st time in years we have a great bunch of young players , we are still playing these guys that have failed badly for years , after this WC we should have a clear out , young manager , young players , Rooney and co , thank you very much but you not needed no more as we know what you can do and its time to move on ....................EYG
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What about 1998?
 
The one thing I've never understood with all the England managers I can remember from back when I started having an interest in football, is that no matter who they have been they have always picked players from the top league.

The England team always seemed to come from teams in the top half of the top league regardless of whether the player concerned was playing well or not.

Just because he is a house hold name, or advertises various hair, phone, pizza, soft drink products should not automatically make them a shoe in for the team.

Why not look at the lower leagues, I'm not saying picking someone from the conference is a good idea, but then why not, if he has a football brain, is fit enough and can kick a ball why shouldn't he be given a shout.

Picking players time and again has proven to be disastrous and what gives the players the right to question why they have not been picked, or the media to question that as well? Is the media that picks the team?

Sadly the England manager will be replaced, more than likely and we'll get a new manager with promises of radical changes and a new broom sweeping clean. Alas, it will be just lip service to the masses to placate us in the run up to the next embarrassing tournament.

Until such time the old guard of the team is told, thank you for you service now here's you pipe and slippers, try not to break a hip on the way to the tea dance, and that goes for the players, management and the FA selectors who choose the manager. England will quietly slip into obscurity to talked about along side the likes of Iran, Honduras, San Marino.
 
Khamelion said:
The one thing I've never understood with all the England managers I can remember from back when I started having an interest in football, is that no matter who they have been they have always picked players from the top league.

The England team always seemed to come from teams in the top half of the top league regardless of whether the player concerned was playing well or not.

Just because he is a house hold name, or advertises various hair, phone, pizza, soft drink products should not automatically make them a shoe in for the team.

Why not look at the lower leagues, I'm not saying picking someone from the conference is a good idea, but then why not, if he has a football brain, is fit enough and can kick a ball why shouldn't he be given a shout.

Picking players time and again has proven to be disastrous and what gives the players the right to question why they have not been picked, or the media to question that as well? Is the media that picks the team?

Sadly the England manager will be replaced, more than likely and we'll get a new manager with promises of radical changes and a new broom sweeping clean. Alas, it will be just lip service to the masses to placate us in the run up to the next embarrassing tournament.

Until such time the old guard of the team is told, thank you for you service now here's you pipe and slippers, try not to break a hip on the way to the tea dance, and that goes for the players, management and the FA selectors who choose the manager. England will quietly slip into obscurity to talked about along side the likes of Iran, Honduras, San Marino.
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Well said , jobs for the boys comes to mind , the old guard keep playing and the young talent looks on , same with cricket , you have to be in your late 20`s to get in , India gave sachin his debut at 17 , we dont do that and it be 2066 before England win again
 
Khamelion said:
The one thing I've never understood with all the England managers I can remember from back when I started having an interest in football, is that no matter who they have been they have always picked players from the top league.

The England team always seemed to come from teams in the top half of the top league regardless of whether the player concerned was playing well or not.

Just because he is a house hold name, or advertises various hair, phone, pizza, soft drink products should not automatically make them a shoe in for the team.

Why not look at the lower leagues, I'm not saying picking someone from the conference is a good idea, but then why not, if he has a football brain, is fit enough and can kick a ball why shouldn't he be given a shout.

Picking players time and again has proven to be disastrous and what gives the players the right to question why they have not been picked, or the media to question that as well? Is the media that picks the team?

Sadly the England manager will be replaced, more than likely and we'll get a new manager with promises of radical changes and a new broom sweeping clean. Alas, it will be just lip service to the masses to placate us in the run up to the next embarrassing tournament.

Until such time the old guard of the team is told, thank you for you service now here's you pipe and slippers, try not to break a hip on the way to the tea dance, and that goes for the players, management and the FA selectors who choose the manager. England will quietly slip into obscurity to talked about along side the likes of Iran, Honduras, San Marino.
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I see where you're coming from but couldn't help but recall the Mike Bassett scene:

Margaret: Mike, here's the squad list, and I've given copies to the press, like you asked.
Mike: Ah, well done, Margaret, thank you... hey, hang on a minute! There's 28 names here, I only picked 26.
Margaret: Well, that was the list you gave me.
Mike: Tony Hedges, York City? I didn't pick him, love.
Margaret: You must have done, Mike. I wouldn't have put him down, otherwise.
Mike: Never heard of him, have I? And who's this clown? Ron Benson, Plymouth Argyle?
Margaret: Look, Mike, they were on the list of players that you gave me!
Mike: [holding up the cigarette box he wrote the squad list on] Oh, come on, love! Show me where it says "Benson and Hedges" on that.

:rofl:

So there's Rickie Lambert... Anyone seen Sheffield United's new signing Andy Butler!
 
Khamelion said:
The one thing I've never understood with all the England managers I can remember from back when I started having an interest in football, is that no matter who they have been they have always picked players from the top league.

The England team always seemed to come from teams in the top half of the top league regardless of whether the player concerned was playing well or not.

Just because he is a house hold name, or advertises various hair, phone, pizza, soft drink products should not automatically make them a shoe in for the team.

Why not look at the lower leagues, I'm not saying picking someone from the conference is a good idea, but then why not, if he has a football brain, is fit enough and can kick a ball why shouldn't he be given a shout.

Picking players time and again has proven to be disastrous and what gives the players the right to question why they have not been picked, or the media to question that as well? Is the media that picks the team?

Sadly the England manager will be replaced, more than likely and we'll get a new manager with promises of radical changes and a new broom sweeping clean. Alas, it will be just lip service to the masses to placate us in the run up to the next embarrassing tournament.

Until such time the old guard of the team is told, thank you for you service now here's you pipe and slippers, try not to break a hip on the way to the tea dance, and that goes for the players, management and the FA selectors who choose the manager. England will quietly slip into obscurity to talked about along side the likes of Iran, Honduras, San Marino.
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Are you serious? Pick players from lower leagues?

They play in lower leagues because that's the standard they are at. We'd get embarrassed even more if we did that
 
richy said:
Are you serious? Pick players from lower leagues?

They play in lower leagues because that's the standard they are at. We'd get embarrassed even more if we did that
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Well Scotland does. And we may not be that good but we seem to have a good team spirit with the manager and to be developing into something reasonable. So why not. Just pick players from Championship down.
 
richy said:
Are you serious? Pick players from lower leagues?

They play in lower leagues because that's the standard they are at. We'd get embarrassed even more if we did that
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The England squad always gets picked from the same pool of 40-50 players from the premiership.

Why?

Why pick the same players over and over when they do not perform?

Why not cast the net further out and bring in good players from lower leagues?

Do the England management not have a scouting network? Could they not try a player from a Div 2 team in a friendly?

Why do we have to suffer the same old faces under performing game after game?

Until the FA removes it's blinkers, picks a manager with some balls and the where withal to stick two fingers up to the establishment and picks a team he wants not what the media or public want, England will suffer.
 
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