England

[Papas1982]

I don't recall back then there being another quality striker to push Heskey for that 2nd forward role so people just had to accept it.
Now we seem to have a glut of young talent who are quite obviously much better than Welbeck hence the outcry.

My think there were plenty of English stikers with better goals game ratios than Heskey, but they belayed for clubs smaller than Liverpool and were ignored back then.

If we didn't take Welbeck to WC, which other striker would have gone?
he shouldn't start if that most if us agree, but if we need to bring a striker on with pace. He's our only spare option.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Again I have an interest and my interest would certainly change if there was a shift away from the tried and tested - I spent the 80's and 90's supporting England until the Beckham and England media circus arrived into town and the endless nonsense posted in the media etc etc - it turned me off supporting England.

Hodgson has a chance to do something different than over the last decade or so - a chance to actually show the world with have talent that can play. Do that and go out there and get some enjoyment in England football team and things might actually look up.

Did you stop supporting Liverpool when things weren't going so well too?

 

[Beezerk]

Another thing I've noticed, some England players play with fear in the big games. Welbeck, Carrick, Cleverley to name but a few. They are scared of the ball when the pressure is on and aren't comfortable with it at feet for any length of time.
I didn't mean to pick 3 Utd players there but those were the first ones who sprang to mind
Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney, Lallana, Barkley, Sturridge all happy to want the ball when surrounded by the opposition.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Did you stop supporting Liverpool when things weren't going so well too?

When did I say I stopped supporting when things didn't go well ?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

My think there were plenty of English stikers with better goals game ratios than Heskey, but they belayed for clubs smaller than Liverpool and were ignored back then.

If we didn't take Welbeck to WC, which other striker would have gone?
he shouldn't start if that most if us agree, but if we need to bring a striker on with pace. He's our only spare option.

Heskey was picked because of his working relationship with Owen.

It's unlucky that Rodriguez got injured because I would have taken him instead of Welbeck.

 

[Beezerk]

If we didn't take Welbeck to WC, which other striker would have gone?
he shouldn't start if that most if us agree, but if we need to bring a striker on with pace. He's our only spare option.

Dunno, he's barely getting a game for Utd but like Heskey, he's the best of the rest I guess.

 

[Papas1982]

Heskey was picked because of his working relationship with Owen.

It's unlucky that Rodriguez got injured because I would have taken him instead of Welbeck.

I get why he was picked, but genuinely think there were better options available. But then that could be said for a few players of the Sven era where he picked his pals.

 

[MegaSteve]

During PMQ's 'our' leader sent his best wishes to the England team... "Joining all those from Britain wishing the team well"... Think its fair to say those present from north of the wall found this mildly amusing...

 

[Slime]

With a heavy Manc based bias in the opinion of course

Welbeck not playing is better for England - simple as that. So as an England supporter you should want your manager to put out the best team available to him - that doesn't include Welbeck or do you blindly follow

No bias at all ........... I merely said that I don't wish ANY England players to get injured ..................... or didn't you get that?
If not, read it again.

At least he is an England supporter LP, unlike your good self (although I'm beginning to suspect that you actually are)

:thup:

Again I have an interest and my interest would certainly change if there was a shift away from the tried and tested - I spent the 80's and 90's supporting England until the Beckham and England media circus arrived into town and the endless nonsense posted in the media etc etc - it turned me off supporting England.

Hodgson has a chance to do something different than over the last decade or so - a chance to actually show the world with have talent that can play. Do that and go out there and get some enjoyment in England football team and things might actually look up.

What happened when the Suarez and Liverpool medis circus rode into town and posted, presumably, 'endless nonsense' in the media?
Or was that different ...................... maybe it wasn't nonsense ......................

Slime.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

No bias at all ........... I merely said that I don't wish ANY England players to get injured ..................... or didn't you get that?
If not, read it again.



:thup:



What happened when the Suarez and Liverpool medis circus rode into town and posted, presumably, 'endless nonsense' in the media?
Or was that different ...................... maybe it wasn't nonsense ......................

Slime.

What does Suarez and Liverpool have to do with anything ?! Totally irrelevant comment.

 

[Slime]

What does Suarez and Liverpool have to do with anything ?! Totally irrelevant comment.

You stopped supporting one team due to a media circus, why not stop supporting another team due to a media circus?
Simple question and a totally relevant analogy.


Slime.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You stopped supporting one team due to a media circus, why not stop supporting another team due to a media circus?
Simple question and a totally relevant analogy.


Slime.

I stopped supporting England because every single time the tournament came around from 2002 the media went into hysterics in regards England's chances etc - golden generation etc etc and the whole thing put me off supporting England - it wasn't pure

In the 80's and 90's it was about the football and nothing else - in wags , no scandals , no corruptions , no players whining and crying about being bored and also watching my clubs players go away and then get injured and the club having to suffer because of it , watching managers pick players purely on reputation , watching the FA pick managers unsuited - no sorry lost all connection to the England football team a connection that was only loose anyway.

My connection to my club is totally different and is something that can't be explained into words and even that get tested and has done in the last ten years but that is irrelevant to anything to do with England Football Team.

I have explained it enough times now. I can still show an interest in the team and I am hoping for a change to happen and think there is a chance of that happening.

 

[Slime]

I stopped supporting England because every single time the tournament came around from 2002 the media went into hysterics in regards England's chances etc - golden generation etc etc and the whole thing put me off supporting England - it wasn't pure

In the 80's and 90's it was about the football and nothing else - in wags , no scandals , no corruptions , no players whining and crying about being bored and also watching my clubs players go away and then get injured and the club having to suffer because of it , watching managers pick players purely on reputation , watching the FA pick managers unsuited - no sorry lost all connection to the England football team a connection that was only loose anyway.

My connection to my club is totally different and is something that can't be explained into words and even that get tested and has done in the last ten years but that is irrelevant to anything to do with England Football Team.

I have explained it enough times now. I can still show an interest in the team and I am hoping for a change to happen and think there is a chance of that happening.

Do you want that team to do well, even win it?


Slime.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Have England got a song as good as 'Kick That Soccer Ball'.

Surprised I have not heard England's song yet, not long to go.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Do you want that team to do well, even win it?


Slime.

Not bothered either way - want the team to show some heart , passion , connection to the fans , desire , show they actually want to represent the country with pride.

Want to see a good World Cup ( because the last was truely awful ) with great attacking play , lots of spectacular goals and young players making a name for themselves - want to shocks and unknowns burst onto the scene. Want the World Cup to be about the sport of football and not the politics but that's impossible now.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Not bothered either way...

You see I just can't imagine EVER thinking that about Scotland. I can think it about England but I'm allowed to.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You see I just can't imagine EVER thinking that about Scotland. I can think it about England but I'm allowed to.

Because I'm not connected to the England football team - I already have a connection with a football team.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Because I'm not connected to the England football team - I already have a connection with a football team.

Go on Phil, admit that if England won it there would be a little stirring of national pride somewhere deep down inside.

just a smidgen

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Go on Phil, admit that if England won it there would be a little stirring of national pride somewhere deep down inside.

just a smidgen

National pride ? No most certainly not.

 

[Rooter]

Go on Phil, admit that if England won it there would be a little stirring of national pride somewhere deep down inside.

just a smidgen

We all know there would be, and i will wager he will watch every England match like the rest of us. the one thing i can guarantee though, he wont go back and say a comment he made ages ago was wrong.

Its quite clear from this thread alone, he is getting well into the world cup spirit! I heard a rumour he was getting the little plastic flags for his car, shaving his head and getting the george cross died on especially!