I think that's the point really, also why Johnson still gets a game. I'd rather if we're dumping the oldies we went all in. But I do think we'd struggle for a centre pairing. We have a lot of exiting attacking midfielders. But a real lack of cm atm.
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Gerrard not winning the league doesn't make him any less of a player - what I do know he is clearly a country mile better than Lampard even if Gerrard won zero trophies
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Sounds like a complete cop out from a Liverpool fan to me.so basically if it wasn't for Lampard,gerrard would have been awesome for England
Always an excuse:rofl:
In your opinion. Stats would argue otherwise. Both great players though
I like good old stats, and don't hide behind "stats can be used to show anything".
BUT, Whilst I think lampard was a very effective midfielder. Playing in cm is about more than just goals.
Lid say lampard is the greatest ever goal scoring midfielder.
Id say Gerrard is the best ever cm.
In your opinion.
And many others including mine.
But I'd not be so dismissive of lampard.
His is record stands up against any.
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Which stats prove he is the best CM in prem history then ?
When everyone was asked to name their best prem 11 how many named Lampard ( believe it was 1 - the Chelsea fan )
I disagree and think its the other way around but of course the game is all about opinions and so I accept yours. A shame both Gerrard and Lampard could never be played properly together effectively when they were in their prime. You could argue Robson built the 90 England side around Gazza but with the stability of Platt etc to keep the strength. We should have built a team around their passing and attacking abilities more when they were younger.
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But you usually insist on stats & proof
Can you back up your claim??
You also discount Ronaldo's credentials because he hasn't done it at a major comp. but surely Gerrard not winning a domestic title must count against him
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Sounds like a complete cop out from a Liverpool fan to me.so basically if it wasn't for Lampard,gerrard would have been awesome for England
Always an excuse:rofl:
No cop,out at all - Lampard didn't have the ability to sit and protect so when they played one person had to sit whilst the other went forward. Gerrard whilst not his greatest attributes still could sit which allowed Lampard to push forward. You can deny that if you so wish but it's been debated and mentioned time and time again.
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But you usually insist on stats & proof
Can you back up your claim??
You also discount Ronaldo's credentials because he hasn't done it at a major comp. but surely Gerrard not winning a domestic title must count against him
If you think Lampard is better then knock yourself out - as with anything it's all about opinions.
It's a tired old debate now but one person will be sat on the bench next week whilst the other captains his country again :thup:
As I said, England should have built a side around both of them and arguably Beckham. We could have had a solid (Platt like) holder in front of the back four and let the creative players create. That time has passed and I hope Hodgson can find a way to get attacking players to play and some backbone in the centre of the park
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I've never said Lampard was the best Midfielder in the pl,I said he was the best IMO. Obviously you could make a case for Giggs,scholes,.....
It's all about opinion
It's all about opinion
I agree they should have been utilised better, although I'm pretty sure England's win ratio since they started playing has been better when both start together than just one. So does make it a bit of a myth.
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I'm totally aware Phil and have admitted so on the Best Prem XI thread, post #82, I just wish some other were aware of how unbeleivably biased and myopic they are!
So? You can still be biased AGAINST players.
It would appear that Hodgson disagrees with you, I wish someone would tell him.
For what it's worth, I thought Welbeck had a really good game last night ..................... what did you think?
Slime.
Ok then I'm biased against awful footballers. I don't see that as a bad thing.
I can't really remember him doing anything significant to be honest other than the step over to allow Sturridge to get his shot away.
He's not a winger but he's never gonna get the nod ahead to start up front because his finishing is terrible.
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Obviously facts don't matter on this one because it doesn't suit 
Obviously facts don't matter on this one because it doesn't suit
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Obviously facts don't matter on this one because it doesn't suit
What facts are they ?
Traore has a CL medal - Stuart Pearce doesn't - does that mean Traore was better ?
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I asked you to produce the facts to back up your statement and your appear to have not produced them yet
