Rooney doesn't fit into this England set up and can't see him doing his midfield role properly all match. I think he needs to either play up front or play someone who can do the hard yards
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Doon frae Troon
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I wonder why that is
England look good, nice shape to the team.
Wellbeck quite superb.
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Birchy
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I wonder why that is
England look good, nice shape to the team.
Wellbeck quite superb.
A load of Scots bought tickets thinking miracles do happen?
Liverbirdie
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Maybe he can take Alan "the third Mitchell brother" Shearer with him, as insightful as Peggy.
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c1973
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Nice football from England, look vulnerable on the left though.
pokerjoke
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Too hot for us,tired legs and minds.
Looks like we have ran out of ideas.
Looks like we have ran out of ideas.
richy
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Rooney and gerrard were awful. No way would they be taken off
fundy
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Rooney on the left just wrong in every way, either play him up top or leave him out . Gerrard past his best too for me and personally id leave them both out and let the "kids" have a go next game against Uruguay - never gonna happen tho
SocketRocket
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What an overpaid meathead!
MadAdey
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We saw why we aren't good enough to win a big tournament, give away easy goals and when we had a good chance we miss the target. The top teams do not give many good chances away so when a player like Rooney is Infront of goal with a chance to score, missing target is not good enough.
The first goal was a well worked corner, that we did not react to quickly enough. The second goal was just far too easy, Baines got isolated and it was too easy to puta cross in. Then ballotelli finds himself with a free header that he sticks away, BTW it was still not easy to score.
But plenty of positives to take away and I thought Sterling had a really good game.
The first goal was a well worked corner, that we did not react to quickly enough. The second goal was just far too easy, Baines got isolated and it was too easy to puta cross in. Then ballotelli finds himself with a free header that he sticks away, BTW it was still not easy to score.
But plenty of positives to take away and I thought Sterling had a really good game.
quinn
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That's best performance I've seen for a while, not you adey,but there's no pleasing Some england fans, we scraped out of the group in the euros and the last World Cup by playing awful football, the team got slated, I think we've got a lot to be proud of tonight,got some great young players coming through, look at the players who came on and we've still got the ox to come back, I don't think they're quite ready for this World Cup,but the future looks good, worryingly for an England team though is we can't defend against the better teams, that was always what we were good at, two wins and wer'e out the group, maybe even four points will be enough, don't right us off yet.could be worse, we could be spain
MadAdey
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Not writing us off and I agree it was a good performance. Just a shame that one piece of bad defending and a great chance missed has cost us getting something from the game.
I was happy to see Woy deploying positive tactics and giving players like Sterling a chance to show what he can do. Sturridge looked sharp and so did Welbeck. Not overly impressed with the subs that came on though, they had fresh legs and did not do a lot. Barkley looked good for about the first 5 mins he was on then looked off the pace.
but hey, role on the Uruguay game and let's try similar tactics again, I would prefer to see England go out trying to win games rather than sitting back playing cheap football and still loosing.
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Certainly a lot more positives to take from that game for England
Sterling was very good , Henderson again had a good game , Welbecks work rate was very good
Gerrard tired badly after 60 mins and should have been replaced , Rooney - well just anonymous and then blew his chance.
England just sat a bit too deep for the first half and there was the normal Hodgson 30 yard gap between 10 players and Sturridge but Sterling and Welbeck started to fill that gap a lot more.
It's certainly a lot more encouraging performance from England and good to see them try and break out a little
Tough struggle now. Need to sort out the Rooney dilemma
Sterling was very good , Henderson again had a good game , Welbecks work rate was very good
Gerrard tired badly after 60 mins and should have been replaced , Rooney - well just anonymous and then blew his chance.
England just sat a bit too deep for the first half and there was the normal Hodgson 30 yard gap between 10 players and Sturridge but Sterling and Welbeck started to fill that gap a lot more.
It's certainly a lot more encouraging performance from England and good to see them try and break out a little
Tough struggle now. Need to sort out the Rooney dilemma
chrisd
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Overall, not a bad performance. Rooney was weak and I'd leave him out, Welbeck exceeded expectations. I liked the two centre backs and Sterling was top notch and Sturridge took his goal really well. It's certainly going to be a tough ask to get out of the group now, especially after seeing the other teams in action. Altogether there us hope for these younger players in the future so long as their allowed to play open attacking football, I'd keep playing them and see how the gel for the Euro's.
Doon frae Troon
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Great match and well played both sides.
Good to see a young England team trying to win matches instead of their normal 'trying not to lose'.
More of the same in the next two matches should see them qualify.
Costa may be a stumbling block though, everyone seemed to think that they were making up the numbers but they have decent players.
Good to see a young England team trying to win matches instead of their normal 'trying not to lose'.
More of the same in the next two matches should see them qualify.
Costa may be a stumbling block though, everyone seemed to think that they were making up the numbers but they have decent players.
quinn
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The best we've played for a while, still think a win and a draw will see us get out the group, few problems for Roy to solve but some encouraging performances from the young players, our pace will cause any team problems, not sure what to do with Rooney but it's not a bad problem to have is it,
Just had a rewatch.
Sterling superb!!
Rooney, obvious scapegoat. Did he miss an open goal. or just the one he put wide?
Hart, shakey start but no costly errors.
Baines, showed how lucky we were to have Cole. Didn't get much cover, but did he stop one single cross?
Jags/Cahill steady, too exposed.
Johnson, typical johnson. Usefull going forward but leaves gaps.
Gerrard, tired towards end. Should have been subbed instead of Henderson.
Henderson, lots of running, maybe a bit more composure needed for final ball but good game.
Sterling, SUPERB! The only player who looked to attack at every opportunity.
Rooney, Great assist (bettered by sterlings pass), missed a chance as did others. Needs to play centrally or not at all.
Wellbeck, good running and worked hard. Needs to be more direct, too many sideways and backward passes.
Sturridge, Good tap in. PLayed well generally but fell into the Rooney trap of dropping deep meaning that runners didn't always have an option in th box.
Wilshere, biggest let down for england in years. Why he was first sub is beyond me.
Barkley, good start. Seemed to be trying a bit too hard, but at least looked to be direct.
Lallana, same as Barkley really. Clearly a better option on the left though as Baines improved with him there.
Overall I'd drop rooney for Lallana as Sterling deserves a 2nd game in the hole on that performance.
Positives for sure, but still gutted we made an ordinary Italy look good. 3/4's of the players used yesterday play possession footy at club level but weren't so good on the ball last night.
Sterling superb!!
Rooney, obvious scapegoat. Did he miss an open goal. or just the one he put wide?
Hart, shakey start but no costly errors.
Baines, showed how lucky we were to have Cole. Didn't get much cover, but did he stop one single cross?
Jags/Cahill steady, too exposed.
Johnson, typical johnson. Usefull going forward but leaves gaps.
Gerrard, tired towards end. Should have been subbed instead of Henderson.
Henderson, lots of running, maybe a bit more composure needed for final ball but good game.
Sterling, SUPERB! The only player who looked to attack at every opportunity.
Rooney, Great assist (bettered by sterlings pass), missed a chance as did others. Needs to play centrally or not at all.
Wellbeck, good running and worked hard. Needs to be more direct, too many sideways and backward passes.
Sturridge, Good tap in. PLayed well generally but fell into the Rooney trap of dropping deep meaning that runners didn't always have an option in th box.
Wilshere, biggest let down for england in years. Why he was first sub is beyond me.
Barkley, good start. Seemed to be trying a bit too hard, but at least looked to be direct.
Lallana, same as Barkley really. Clearly a better option on the left though as Baines improved with him there.
Overall I'd drop rooney for Lallana as Sterling deserves a 2nd game in the hole on that performance.
Positives for sure, but still gutted we made an ordinary Italy look good. 3/4's of the players used yesterday play possession footy at club level but weren't so good on the ball last night.
richy
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Just read some of the player ratings online, not sure what match some of these journalists were watching.
Gerrard was poor all game and the difference between him and Pirlo is huge. I don't know where people get the notion that Glen Johnson is good going forward, he either cuts inside and loses possession or his crosses go out for a goal kick. If you watch the game back you'll see what I mean.
Rooney was poor but being played out of position so not really his fault. Worrying thing is that Roy said he played "quite well", not sure if he said that to try and defend is idea to of sticking him on the left. Felt a bit sorry for Baines as he was always up against two men.
Sterling was really good and we need to get him on the ball as much as possible and have him running at players, after watching Uruguay yesterday they are definitely beatable on Thursday.
I can't take as many positives from the game as others but maybe I'm a pessimist.
Gerrard was poor all game and the difference between him and Pirlo is huge. I don't know where people get the notion that Glen Johnson is good going forward, he either cuts inside and loses possession or his crosses go out for a goal kick. If you watch the game back you'll see what I mean.
Rooney was poor but being played out of position so not really his fault. Worrying thing is that Roy said he played "quite well", not sure if he said that to try and defend is idea to of sticking him on the left. Felt a bit sorry for Baines as he was always up against two men.
Sterling was really good and we need to get him on the ball as much as possible and have him running at players, after watching Uruguay yesterday they are definitely beatable on Thursday.
I can't take as many positives from the game as others but maybe I'm a pessimist.
Piece
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I'll go against the rest and thought Gerrard had a good game. Composed, efficient and held things together.
Rooney hasn't been world class for a long time - see old separate thread. He was moved to the left because he's played there loads of times for Man U, and more tellingly, when he's played in his favourite no 10 position, he's been rubbish. I'd much rather see Barkley in that position as he's quicker and better on the ball and fits in with the other faster players we have up front.
Baines was exposed as he didn't know where to be when playing with Rooney. He was caught in the wrong place badly for their winner.
I'd like to think in the next game where it should be colder, we play similarly with fast pace, and just tidy up the defending and final balls!
Still positive though unlike other tournaments as I can see how we are trying play.
Rooney hasn't been world class for a long time - see old separate thread. He was moved to the left because he's played there loads of times for Man U, and more tellingly, when he's played in his favourite no 10 position, he's been rubbish. I'd much rather see Barkley in that position as he's quicker and better on the ball and fits in with the other faster players we have up front.
Baines was exposed as he didn't know where to be when playing with Rooney. He was caught in the wrong place badly for their winner.
I'd like to think in the next game where it should be colder, we play similarly with fast pace, and just tidy up the defending and final balls!
Still positive though unlike other tournaments as I can see how we are trying play.
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c1973
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Very good game, open attacking football from both sides, England very unlucky to be fair, but Italy took their chances and at the top level that is the difference.
Sturridge and Sterling (especially) your two best players, Wellbeck and Henderson played very well too. Rooney either plays through the middle or sits out imo, he's not effective on the left and Baines was badly exposed in that first half. Gerard tired badly, yet Pirlo was still relatively fresh?
You did everything but score in the second half and aren't out of it yet. Very big game coming up against Uruguay who I think will be a different prospect with Suarez (if he plays), Costa Rica may not be a walk in the park though.
Sturridge and Sterling (especially) your two best players, Wellbeck and Henderson played very well too. Rooney either plays through the middle or sits out imo, he's not effective on the left and Baines was badly exposed in that first half. Gerard tired badly, yet Pirlo was still relatively fresh?
You did everything but score in the second half and aren't out of it yet. Very big game coming up against Uruguay who I think will be a different prospect with Suarez (if he plays), Costa Rica may not be a walk in the park though.
