DQ'd late on tee

[ManinBlack]

Fellow competitor.

The way they behaved, I had something else in mind!

 

[Robobum]

Guy in OP was late - stern letter #1

Two guys teed off early - stern letter #2

Two guys quoted incorrect interpretation of rule - stern letter #3

OP also quoted misinterpratation of same rule - stern letter #4

What compo shall we go for? Damages? Return of 2s sweep cash? Emotional cruelty?

Get to club in good time or do sensible thing and call ahead - happens a fair bit at our club and that group will just let next group go first. But that's another breach and will require
stern letter #5!

 

[JCW]

The player who was 1 minute late should have been penalised 2 strokes not disqualified. The players who started early should also have been penalised 2 strokes for not starting at the time established by the Committee.

If what you said is right then the FC have a case to answer , he should write in and the FC on the 0830 slot should be asked if the others on the 0820 slot did in fact tee off early and the guy who is chairman of the handicap committee if found guilty should stand down as he is clearly not fit to hold that position at the club ............live by the sword then die by the sword

 

[fundy]

Guy in OP was late - stern letter #1

Two guys teed off early - stern letter #2

Two guys quoted incorrect interpretation of rule - stern letter #3

OP also quoted misinterpratation of same rule - stern letter #4

What compo shall we go for? Damages? Return of 2s sweep cash? Emotional cruelty?

Get to club in good time or do sensible thing and call ahead - happens a fair bit at our club and that group will just let next group go first. But that's another breach and will require
stern letter #5!

Far too sensible lol, but exactly what happens at ours too

 

[Foxholer]

What compo shall we go for? Damages? Return of 2s sweep cash? Emotional cruelty?

Certainly return of entry/sweep!

At the Club where 'Committee-itis' related daft decisions/rulings was most prevalent (or at least most obvious), there were only about (maybe actually fewer than) a dozen qualifying comps a year, so each one was 'valuable'. I might suggest, with little expectation of a non-zero value being the result but something to get the message across, they consider what portion of subscription they consider was appropriate to refund as compensation for the mis-direction of a senior member of the Committee.

 

[Robobum]

Certainly return of entry/sweep!

At the Club where 'Committee-itis' related daft decisions/rulings was most prevalent (or at least most obvious), there were only about (maybe actually fewer than) a dozen qualifying comps a year, so each one was 'valuable'. I might suggest, with little expectation of a non-zero value being the result but something to get the message across, they consider what portion of subscription they consider was appropriate to refund as compensation for the mis-direction of a senior member of the Committee.

I'd be looking for petrol money, tyre wear & tear, shoe leather.......

Gotta be a joke, is it raining again?

 

[JCW]

One thing that has not been said but takes place often is why did they not let him play on recording whatever score he got on the 1st and for the rest of the round then check the rules with the club pro or sec in the clubhouse before they decide their next course of action , that would have saved a lot of bad feelings , from my point of view I would take the matter further just for the sake of it .........................EYG

 

[Colin L]

Any idea where he stands here? He was well within 5 minutes on the 1st tee, the other guys had more than likely tee'd off early, but he has no way to really confirm he was within 5 mins as he didn't join them until they'd reached the 2nd.

He's going to write to them to get clarification, but if the others had tee'd off before their designated time how can anyone prove they are within 5 minutes if they don't join them until the 2nd?

Woody, I'm not sure if this point has been clarified for you, but the requirement was to be ready to play at the time designated. Provided you were not later than by 5 minutes by the clock you are only penalised 2 strokes or in this case 2 points (I overlooked this was a Stableford). That means no more than 5 minutes after your designated time not 5 minutes behind the the others who had galloped off earlier. All you need to do is establish what time on the clock you were there and ready to play.

 

[Foxholer]

...the guy who is chairman of the handicap committee if found guilty should stand down as he is clearly not fit to hold that position at the club ............live by the sword then die by the sword

No need for that - as long as he gets the message!

Had it been a handicap matter, then perhaps.

One thing that has not been said but takes place often is why did they not let him play on recording whatever score he got on the 1st and for the rest of the round then check the rules with the club pro or sec in the clubhouse before they decide their next course of action , that would have saved a lot of bad feelings...

Pretty sure I did, or at least implied it,- a couple of times.

@Robobum. How would you have felt if, having paid your £75 or whatever, for the Silver Trophy, got stuck in traffic and arrived 1 minute late, tee-ed off and then got told - by someone you expect would know - that you couldn't join the competition? I think you'd be a bit unhappy if you walked off and subsequently found he was wrong! Of course, that wouldn't happen, but....

 

[palindromicbob]

Woody, I'm not sure if this point has been clarified for you, but the requirement was to be ready to play at the time designated. Provided you were not later than by 5 minutes by the clock you are only penalised 2 strokes or in this case 2 points (I overlooked this was a Stableford). That means no more than 5 minutes after your designated time not 5 minutes behind the the others who had galloped off earlier. All you need to do is establish what time on the clock you were there and ready to play.

The penalty would have been very steep for this guy. He sacrificed potential points by not playing the 1st and then would of still had 2 points taken of him when the round was completed so a double whammy.

The FC/Committee member must have been a tool though. Not even letting the guy join them regardless of his status in the comp, which could have been clarified after the round anyway.

I'd have to raise it and then see how it was handled by the committee. I'd at least expect an apology, refund of any entry fee. If that didn't happen I'd consider joining another club.

 

[Robobum]

No need for that - as long as he gets the message!

Had it been a handicap matter, then perhaps.



Pretty sure I did, or at least implied it,- a couple of times.

@Robobum. How would you have felt if, having paid your £75 or whatever, for the Silver Trophy, got stuck in traffic and arrived 1 minute late, tee-ed off and then got told - by someone you expect would know - that you couldn't join the competition? I think you'd be a bit unhappy if you walked off and subsequently found he was wrong! Of course, that wouldn't happen, but....

I'd be pissed at only one person - me.

Plus, I'd have called ahead and pre warned them. I've seen this happen and groups have been altered to avoid a DQ happening.

I would definitely have accepted that it was me who was to blame in the first place and lived with my own poor organisation.

Writing letters would never have entered my mind.

 

[Foxholer]

I'd be pissed at only one person - me.

Plus, I'd have called ahead and pre warned them. I've seen this happen and groups have been altered to avoid a DQ happening.

I would definitely have accepted that it was me who was to blame in the first place and lived with my own poor organisation.

I'm sure that was how the the OP-ers mate felt. I'd certainly feel that way too and accept whatever penalty was due - until I found out that the DQ was wrong. Of course knowing the Rule had changed that too wouldn't happen, just as I stated yours wouldn't - for the reason you gave.

Until it was clear that the 'authority' was wrong! That's where I'd be pissed at someone else - in addition to myself!

Writing letters would never have entered my mind.

So no contact at all to ensure it didn't happen again, and just 'happily' accept your costs. How generous!

 

[woody69]

I'd be pissed at only one person - me.

Plus, I'd have called ahead and pre warned them. I've seen this happen and groups have been altered to avoid a DQ happening.

I would definitely have accepted that it was me who was to blame in the first place and lived with my own poor organisation.

Writing letters would never have entered my mind.

I have no idea around the circumstances as to why my friend was held up, I was more querying the ruling and the attitude of the handicap chairman.

Interesting though you seem so willing to accept an incorrect outcome. He shouldn't have been DQ'd. The committee was wrong and they should be informed about that. Are you so willing to accept other penalties when they are incorrect?

 

[Robobum]

I'm sure that was how the the OP-ers mate felt. I'd certainly feel that way too and accept whatever penalty was due - until I found out that the DQ was wrong. Of course knowing the Rule had changed that too wouldn't happen, just as I stated yours wouldn't - for the reason you gave.

Until it was clear that the 'authority' was wrong! That's where I'd be pissed at someone else - in addition to myself!


So no contact at all to ensure it didn't happen again, and just 'happily' accept your costs. How generous!

Yet again, pissed at me only. If I wasn't sure enough of the rule to stand my ground - my fault.

 

[Robobum]

I have no idea around the circumstances as to why my friend was held up, I was more querying the ruling and the attitude of the handicap chairman.

Interesting though you seem so willing to accept an incorrect outcome. He shouldn't have been DQ'd. The committee was wrong and they should be informed about that. Are you so willing to accept other penalties when they are incorrect?

Not really relevant. I make it MY responsibility to either know the rule or know how to proceed if I don't.

It isn't the responsibility of a couple of volunteer committee members to be my rules book!!

 

[Colin L]

It isn't the responsibility of a couple of volunteer committee members to be my rules book!!

But it is very much the responsibility of the Committee to make correct rulings and when a Committee member gets it wrong (as will inevitably happen from time to time), is it not in the best interest of everyone concerned for it to be pointed out in order to prevent a re-occurrence? I know for sure, I would want to know of a mistake I'd made.

 

[Robobum]

But it is very much the responsibility of the Committee to make correct rulings and when a Committee member gets it wrong (as will inevitably happen from time to time), is it not in the best interest of everyone concerned for it to be pointed out in order to prevent a re-occurrence? I know for sure, I would want to know of a mistake I'd made.

Ways and means of doing it though. Letters and demanding compensation isn't my way of doing things. "I think you are wrong, can you check" no demands, no hysteria, no sackings, no swords!!!

Plus - the OP was obviously unsure about the rule (he had already interpreted the penalty incorrectly) enough not to stand his ground.

 

[Ethan]

If the OP was 1 minute late, then unless there is an official clock, then one man's 8.21 is certainly likely to be another's 8.20. It is just too close to call.

Also, I have never seen a group who can start to tee off at 8.20 and all be down the fairway at 8.21.

 

[Foxholer]

But it is very much the responsibility of the Committee to make correct rulings and when a Committee member gets it wrong (as will inevitably happen from time to time), is it not in the best interest of everyone concerned for it to be pointed out in order to prevent a re-occurrence? I know for sure, I would want to know of a mistake I'd made.

I agree with this completely.

And while I agree with Robobum's 'It's my responsibility' approach, the attitude of the Senior Committee Member (is it a surprise that officious and official are derived from similar area!) seemed very wrong.

The 2nd Tee of a comp, where a player is already under stress, is a pretty lonely place to be challenging such a person's 'You can't join the Competition' statement. That view certainly needs to be corrected.

I may have been unlucky, but all those (and there have been a few, but only a few) that have shown that attitude - as opposed to the 'Oh dear, that could mean trouble, but join us and we'll find out later' one - have been the sort that need the consequences of their blunders made clear!

I would say btw, that i am making something of an assumption that the 'You cannot join the Competition' was accompanied by a refusal to allow the OP-er's mate to join them. If it was the OP-er's choice to abandon the round, then i have possibly done the Conmittee man an injustice - though his error should still be pointed out, accepted and apologised for!

 

[JCW]

Not really relevant. I make it MY responsibility to either know the rule or know how to proceed if I don't.

It isn't the responsibility of a couple of volunteer committee members to be my rules book!!

Unless they were 100% sure the player should have been able to play his round and sort it in the club later before he submits the card , that should have been the very least