DQ'd from Competition under rule 3.3b

[doublebogey7]

I wonder whether this could be up for consideration in the next round of rules changes. The player has, under WHS, lost responsibility for making their own handicap changes. So there is no longer a need for the player to be responsible for writing it in the card as far as I can see.

 

[backwoodsman]

My club's scorecards have 2 boxes for a player's handicap - one is "H'Cap Index", the other "Course H'Cap". In a recent Stableford competition, I only filled in the course handicap box with my playing handicap for the competition but was disqualified. I would've came first in my division and won a prize. Despite being disqualified, my handicap was reduced as a result of my score and further reduced because of exceptional play.
Is this fair?

How recent a competition? If very recent, I'd go back to the committee to ask why they DQ'd you.

As others have said, entering your PH in the CH box merely means you probably entered too low a handicap which isnt a DQ matter. I wouldn't press the matter of the result/outcome of the comp' - to them, that will smack of sour grapes - but you ought to have the satisfaction of being right, and it may help prevent the same happening to someone else down the line.

 

[bobmac]

Simples. I made a mistake...... and that's sorted now.

Thank you

 

[backwoodsman]

I wonder whether this could be up for consideration in the next round of rules changes. The player has, under WHS, lost responsibility for making their own handicap changes. So there is no longer a need for the player to be responsible for writing it in the card as far as I can see.

Is there an echo in here

 

[rosecott]

At one club, a 'sticky' for th scorecard was produced on registration, so nothing for the player to do other than sign and return.

BUT:

3.3b(4)/2 - Player not exempt from penalty when committee provides a scorecard with an incorrect handicap.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I wonder whether this could be up for consideration in the next round of rules changes. The player has, under WHS, lost responsibility for making their own handicap changes. So there is no longer a need for the player to be responsible for writing it in the card as far as I can see.

Our golf manager told me recently that after any WHS qualifying round I am responsible for checking and ensuring that my HI has changed as I might expect it - most especially when a change in HI results in a change of my CH. If my HI changes more or less than I might expect I must check that my score for the round has been entered correctly (the player enters his score on the system as well as returning a signed card).

 

[Foxholer]

BUT:

3.3b(4)/2 - Player not exempt from penalty when committee provides a scorecard with an incorrect handicap.

Still save most of the faffing about and just needed a quick glance to check - cf actually entering it (correctly) which. apparently, seemed too difficult for some occasionally!

 

[Orikoru]

I find this a bit harsh. Last weekend we entered the medal and didn't even write any of our handicaps on the cards. We have to enter scores on the terminal (or through the phone app as we ended up doing) anyway and all the information is in there for you. I can't be arsed working out three different handicap numbers on the new WHS thingy so we just left them blank since the computer does the working anyway.

I always thought you only had to put your name and the gross score for each hole, and sign it. I can confirm none of us were DQed anyway.

 

[Crow]

I find this a bit harsh. Last weekend we entered the medal and didn't even write any of our handicaps on the cards. We have to enter scores on the terminal (or through the phone app as we ended up doing) anyway and all the information is in there for you. I can't be arsed working out three different handicap numbers on the new WHS thingy so we just left them blank since the computer does the working anyway.

I always thought you only had to put your name and the gross score for each hole, and sign it. I can confirm none of us were DQed anyway.

Probably because your scores were not in contention for any placings/prizes, if you had then I suspect your cards would have been fully checked and you'd have been DQ'd.

 

[Orikoru]

Probably because your scores were not in contention for any placings/prizes, if you had then I suspect your cards would have been fully checked and you'd have been DQ'd.

The last thing I always do before posting my card is show it to the pro for him to check I've filled everything in that I need to. He didn't mention anything about writing the handicap in. So if I then got DQed I'd be having serious words.

 

[Colin L]

I wonder whether this could be up for consideration in the next round of rules changes. The player has, under WHS, lost responsibility for making their own handicap changes. So there is no longer a need for the player to be responsible for writing it in the card as far as I can see.

I don't follow that. Players weren't ever responsible for making their own UHS changes, were they?

Separately from whether you should be required to have your handicap on your card in strokeplay, there will of courses always be a need for a requirement to know and inform opponents correctly of your course handicap and for a rule which spells out the consequences of getting it wrong.

 

[D-S]

If you write your Course Handicap in the wrong box (but it is on the scorecard so fulfils the rules of golf), can the club sanction players under conditions of competition? Not necessarily a DQ, perhaps a first warning and further possible sanctions down the line?

 

[DickInShorts]

The last thing I always do before posting my card is show it to the pro for him to check I've filled everything in that I need to. He didn't mention anything about writing the handicap in. So if I then got DQed I'd be having serious words.

The last person to ask about handicaps ( or rules) is the club professional (there are exceptions).

They usually have no knowledge of either!

 

[Foxholer]

The last person to ask about handicaps ( or rules) is the club professional (there are exceptions).

They usually have no knowledge of either!

And the post you quoted is an excellent example!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I find this a bit harsh. Last weekend we entered the medal and didn't even write any of our handicaps on the cards. We have to enter scores on the terminal (or through the phone app as we ended up doing) anyway and all the information is in there for you. I can't be arsed working out three different handicap numbers on the new WHS thingy so we just left them blank since the computer does the working anyway.

I always thought you only had to put your name and the gross score for each hole, and sign it. I can confirm none of us were DQed anyway.

 

[Orikoru]

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It is actually a stupid requirement with WHS in place and having to enter our scores in the terminal anyway isn't it? When I want to check what my handicap is I look it up on the same database that I'm subsequently entering the scores into anyway. And I couldn't give a flying one what my 'course handicap' and 'playing handicap' are, it's too much effort and makes no difference. Just want to play and then enter my gross score. The system should facilitate that.

 

[Colin L]

It is actually a stupid requirement with WHS in place and having to enter our scores in the terminal anyway isn't it? When I want to check what my handicap is I look it up on the same database that I'm subsequently entering the scores into anyway. And I couldn't give a flying one what my 'course handicap' and 'playing handicap' are, it's too much effort and makes no difference. Just want to play and then enter my gross score. The system should facilitate that.

I take it you don’t enter any match play competitions then?

 

[rulefan]

A referee's job includes trying to help players avoid breaching rules. I see the committee's job as including doing what can be done to help players avoid a DQ. With the prevalence of computer scoring, it doesn't matter what the player puts on his card, the system will use his correct playing handicap.

And Course Handicap

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It is actually a stupid requirement with WHS in place and having to enter our scores in the terminal anyway isn't it? When I want to check what my handicap is I look it up on the same database that I'm subsequently entering the scores into anyway. And I couldn't give a flying one what my 'course handicap' and 'playing handicap' are, it's too much effort and makes no difference. Just want to play and then enter my gross score. The system should facilitate that.

What happens if your terminal is down ? Lost internet ? The CSV has issues

It’s simple - minimal requirement on your scorecard - gross scores , handicap ( course/playing ) , sign the scorecard

Most clubs now provide a label that is put on the card so it’s all worked out for you but it’s not really that much hard work is it to enter a couple of numbers in a couple of boxes.

 

[backwoodsman]

If you write your Course Handicap in the wrong box (but it is on the scorecard so fulfils the rules of golf), can the club sanction players under conditions of competition? Not necessarily a DQ, perhaps a first warning and further possible sanctions down the line?

I guess it depends on whether the number written down is clearly indicated as being Course Handicap? If it's just, say, a number written in the PH box, then I suppose you're asking for trouble?