Do you do this (and if so, WHY?!)

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

If there is a legibility issue or clear ambiguity for one or more holes on a card marked in such a way then the score(s) recorded can't be verified so a NR for the hole(s) and so NR for the card? If there is no legibility issue then no issue surely.

 

[fundy]

Would mark a roll up or society card like that if marking all the scores on one card for the group yes, no i wouldnt mark a comp card like that

 

[Deleted member 15717]

Would mark a roll up or society card like that if marking all the scores on one card for the group yes, no i wouldnt mark a comp card like that

Precisely this. When only scoring one person’s card, there is no excuse for not doing it properly.

When scoring for the whole group as a swindle, I’ll mark it like the card in the OP....albeit a touch neater! I’ll even scrub out where it says ‘B’ in the column and write the player’s name/nickname. And I’ll use other columns for other players! The scandal!!

 

[jpjeffery]

Precisely this. When only scoring one person’s card, there is no excuse for not doing it properly.

When scoring for the whole group as a swindle, I’ll mark it like the card in the OP....albeit a touch neater! I’ll even scrub out where it says ‘B’ in the column and write the player’s name/nickname. And I’ll use other columns for other players! The scandal!!

Although surely all cards include a space at the top for the names of Player A, Player B, Player C, and the Marker, thus rendering the need to scrub out the "A", "B", "C" as you describe anyway.

Still, if it's not for an official club comp you can do whatever pleases you.

 

[jim8flog]

As some one who has to check and often input lots of scores I hate it when players mark their scores like that for competitions. It makes it harder thing to do, particularly when you see the quality of some players hand writing and we often have to find the player and confirm what the gross score is.

One of these days I actually might record players scores as 51, 42 etc just for the hell of it.

When it comes to getting my own card back from a marker who has recorded like that I will cross out all the points to make sure it only shows gross, pointing out to the marker what I have done and showing him where he should have put the points.

 

[jim8flog]

I do it like that as well. I think it's force of habit from our friendly rounds where whoever is marking the card is doing so for all three or four players, so you have to do it that way as there isn't a points column for each. Then you just forget there is an actual column for it when you're in a comp.

I do write the points number smaller though, so instead of looking like 52 it looks more like 5² - so I think the gross score is a little clearer. Obviously you don't even need to write the points down at all, but it's handy when people want to know their points total before handing the cards in.

I know of two players who lost out on prizes for only checking their stableford points total and not the gross scores on the cards.

 

[jim8flog]

On a slightly different note we had one new player recently record all their stableford points on the computer rather than the gross score. Never seen so many hole in ones in a round before.

 

[jpjeffery]

I was once on the comps committee. The number of illegible cards was shocking. I play with one bloke now who I try to engineer it so he’s not marking mine, or I’ve no idea what he’s written.

Presumably because he does it wildly different from everyone else in the club, right? Which (as you don't need me to tell you) is why comps committees/secretaries will ask members to only put the gross score in each box, so they don't have to work out that Bill fills in cards differently from Fred who fills in cards differently from Bert, etc.

Just the gross score in each box: It's a simple standard (unless you get some wise guy who decides to use roman numerals, or mandarin!) Easy to understand, easy to comply with.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Presumably because he does it wildly different from everyone else in the club, right? Which (as you don't need me to tell you) is why comps committees/secretaries will ask members to only put the gross score in each box, so they don't have to work out that Bill fills in cards differently from Fred who fills in cards differently from Bert, etc.

Just the gross score in each box: It's a simple standard (unless you get some wise guy who decides to use roman numerals, or mandarin!) Easy to understand, easy to comply with.

Have you been able to find out under what rule the players were DQ ?

 

[jpjeffery]

On a slightly different note we had one new player recently record all their stableford points on the computer rather than the gross score. Never seen so many hole in ones in a round before.

Brilliant!

We DQ'd someone recently for something similar. His marker had entered the gross score correctly on every hole...except the second hole which is a par 4, stroke index 3...on which he'd entered "1". A hole in one on a 392yd par four with a raised (about 10') green. He and his marker then 'checked' the card after the 18th and still saw no reason to correct it (we cross checked on the card that the player was the marker for, where it showed a 6).

 

[jpjeffery]

Have you been able to find out under what rule the players were DQ ?

It's a club rule, ratified by the R&A. Our previous captain had a conversation with them on this specific matter, from which they confirmed this was perfectly reasonable.

 

[Orikoru]

One of these days I actually might record players scores as 51, 42 etc just for the hell of it.

That would be hilarious. Imagine signing for a round of 850.

I know of two players who lost out on prizes for only checking their stableford points total and not the gross scores on the cards.

More fool them, I always check the gross numbers, the points total is just for my info.

 

[patricks148]

That would be hilarious. Imagine signing for a round of 850.


More fool them, I always check the gross numbers, the points total is just for my info.

love it when someone puts the stableford points in instead of Gross score

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Can I double check, are people getting the hump if someone is marking for example

Scratch player, par 4, stableford,

4/2
4/2 etc

You want the gross score in player A column and then the Stableford score in the box at the end? No splitting the box, just one number in each box?

 

[jpjeffery]

love it when someone puts the stableford points in instead of Gross score

Oh that would be a glorious Stableford score! Instead of, say, 31 points, you could have 90!

 

[jpjeffery]

Can I double check, are people getting the hump if someone is marking for example

Scratch player, par 4, stableford,

4/2
4/2 etc

You want the gross score in player A column and then the Stableford score in the box at the end? No splitting the box, just one number in each box?

Pretty much. Although entering the stableford points or net score is not required at all. Ultimately all they're actually signing for is the gross score. If they want to enter the net/stableford they may do so, but it'll be disregarded by the comps committee (as it's not an arithmetic test, and sometimes the player/marker gets it wrong anyway).

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Witness the attached image, in which the competitor's marker has entered the stableford points next to the gross score in Player A's column, and in so doing ignoring the Nett/Points Score column provided for that purpose.

Lots, perhaps even a majority, of our members used to do this, but after a number of occasions in which the competitions secretaries struggled to decipher what was written (particularly when corrections had to be made by the marker) we've had to lay down the law and insist that ONLY the gross score is entered in to each box in Column A. We started with some education, then some DQs, and now it's much better, but we still sometimes get scorecards completed like this (usually by new members).

But I don't understand the reason why people do this. It's as if they think the net/points column or row is valuable real estate which simply must saved for later! It's bizarre. Why do you all do this?! You're driving me crazy, I tell ya!
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I don't mark that way & never would, but I cannot see any reason to have a pissy fit about it and start DQ'ing people. The score there is clearly: 7,5,4,5,5,3,4,5,4, total 42 for 14 points.
No one would honestly think that the scores were 7,52,41,51,52,33,42,52,42

So just use some common sense and move on

 

[HomerJSimpson]

When we enter the scores into PSI before putting the card into the box (signed and checked of course) we only enter the gross score (and zero on the hole if we picked up/didn't score) and the system calculates the points automatically. Check the points are correct, sign for the gross scores recorded and put the card in the box. As it happens I always check I have the points total in the box assigned for that on the card (and not in with my gross score) as that was how I was taught to do a card as a kid. Surely if the gross scores are entered correctly on PSI then the player has me the requirement

 

[patricks148]

Oh that would be a glorious Stableford score! Instead of, say, 31 points, you could have 90!

The club a play winter league at has screen in the bar so you can see peoples scores going in and one Sat this happened, there were gasps as the scores went in... 3,2, 2,3.... then the 470 yard 5th into the wind ... 1 ....and everyone started laughing

 

[woofers]

It's a club rule, ratified by the R&A. Our previous captain had a conversation with them on this specific matter, from which they confirmed this was perfectly reasonable.

Any chance you have it in writing from the R&A? If so, could you share it?

I agree it can be frustrating when cards are completed in the manner you have shown, especially when the handwritten is poor, but you clearly state in your opening post that you are viewing gross scores and Stableford points so you are able to tell the difference.