Do you agree with this guy?

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JustOne

Don't you know every swing fault can be cured with keeping your right arm straight in the backswing.:smirk:

 

[SocketRocket]

That's actually VERY VERY VERY VERY interesting, Hogan's glass swing plane is often misinterpreted, so how about we actually make one out of wood?

So here's an ACTUAL swing plane like Hogan envisaged......(not an imaginary glass one)

Now consider that if the wood is there.... HOW can you swing the club behind you?



Is this actually registering with any one at all?

No one having an "Oh yeah, crikey, I didn't realise that" moment yet?

I believe Hogans glass plane rested from the shoulders to the ball and the club had to stay UNDER it through the complete swing. So it would be possible to swing the club behind you in his example (I am not suggesting you should though)

 

[JustOne]

JustOne

Don't you know every swing fault can be cured with keeping your right arm straight in the backswing.:smirk:

LOL, that doesn't work!! you've got to swing like a top-spin tennis shot whilst throwing a ball and swinging a baseball bat, transfer your weight to the right then the left whilst staying over the ball and your head behind the ball whilst hinging up and turning and (somehow apparently) rolling your arms over 90 degrees whilst dumping the club into the ground but not losing the lag and not hitting it fat whilst turning and clearing your hips while not losing your balance and finishing up over your left leg but in a way as to not hurt your back - I think :thup:

 

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Try telling that to our friends over the pond.

 

[kid2]

That's actually VERY VERY VERY VERY interesting, Hogan's glass swing plane is often misinterpreted, so how about we actually make one out of wood?

So here's an ACTUAL swing plane like Hogan envisaged......(not an imaginary glass one)

Now consider that if the wood is there.... HOW can you swing the club behind you?



Is this actually registering with any one at all?

No one having an "Oh yeah, crikey, I didn't realise that" moment yet?

You can't.... And from that image I don't think Hogans swing was that steep..... He had a much flatter swing plane that what's described in the image above.........

For the record I tried doing that drill in tge video and I physically can't.... It doesn't feel right.... Its like my arms are way above my head and to hit the ball from the inside then I'd either have to be standing straight with very little tilt or is have to drop my arms way down before I started the swing....... So is tend to disagree slightly with him because that position won't suit everyone

 

[JustOne]

I believe Hogans glass plane rested from the shoulders to the ball and the club had to stay UNDER it through the complete swing. So it would be possible to swing the club behind you in his example (I am not suggesting you should though)

Yes you're right it did but in staying under it (the shoulder plane) he wasn't trying to swing 'away' from it as much as he possibly could he was basically swinging parallel to it, but on a shallower plane than the 'wood' version above (he was after all one of the flattest plane swingers in the game). Or we could all swing like Hogan of course (something that's often discussed - well it is in the USA)

I'm not Hogan's greatest fan actually... but we can talk a much more 'inside swing' if you want.... like erm, stack and tilt

@Kid2 - you're right, that swing plane in that pic is a bit steep... well maybe not for a wedge/9-iron but it's certainly not a set position for all clubs... the longer the shaft the lower that plane gets :thup:

 

[SocketRocket]

I have forgotten more than you know mate. I am originally from Yorkshire so you can't tell me owt!

Joking aside, you say my strategy as if I am some sort of anomaly but actually, the reverse is the case in my experience. What I mean by that is that when I think of all the expert golfers (with the possible of exception of a few young kids who have grown up watching the guff on Sky and believing it) that I know, none of them are like the people on this forum (you, Socket Rocket etc) who focus on the mechanics of the swing.

Rather they have learned what to do through practice, graft and refinement and just go out and get on with it.

Maybe it is just the generation that I am from though?

Strewth Snelly!! I must be one or two generations before you.

I think people learn in different ways, some are very talented and natural with learning physical things, some others have massive difficulty with dexterity and eye hand coordination. I know I am not someone who can pick up a golf club, hit large amounts of golf balls on a range and end up doing it well. This learning process frustrates me and just doesn't work in my case, I just end up grooving something thats wrong. You on the other hand probably have a lot of natural talent, I envy you for that.

I do like to understand the detail of how things work, thats the Engineer in me. I have also said that I also like simple drills that can adopt the things we do naturally in life and bring them into the learning process for skills like making good golf club/ball impact. For people like your good self then this type of thread is not designed to help you, I think there are many others with different learning skills where it will be very beneficial.

Horses for Courses :thup:

 

[SocketRocket]

Yes you're right it did but in staying under it (the shoulder plane) he wasn't trying to swing 'away' from it as much as he possibly could he was basically swinging parallel to it, but on a shallower plane than the 'wood' version above (he was after all one of the flattest plane swingers in the game). Or we could all swing like Hogan of course (something that's often discussed - well it is in the USA)

I'm not Hogan's greatest fan actually... but we can talk a much more 'inside swing' if you want.... like erm, stack and tilt

@Kid2 - you're right, that swing plane in that pic is a bit steep... well maybe not for a wedge/9-iron but it's certainly not a set position for all clubs... the longer the shaft the lower that plane gets :thup:

NO No!! As I said I am not suggesting it, neither do i promote swing the club to the inside.

 

[kid2]

the longer the shaft the lower that plane gets :thup:

Unless its me and i can swing pretty much any club in the bag Flat......:whoo: