Do you agree with this guy?

Yes or No?

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JustOne said:
Thanks for that link FD :thup: , and yes, he's saying the same thing.

Don't you find it amazing (or at least questionable perhaps) how people would ignore that though? It's as if it's never been talked about and we're all practically doing something entirely different (with a lot more pieces thrown in for good measure!) :p
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What I find amazing is that Bobby Jones managed to be the greatest golfer ever without having watched this video.
 
JustOne said:
Bobby Jones made his own videos.

Clearly he went against your strategy and actually understood stuff about what he was doing :eek:
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I have forgotten more than you know mate. I am originally from Yorkshire so you can't tell me owt! :)

Joking aside, you say my strategy as if I am some sort of anomaly but actually, the reverse is the case in my experience. What I mean by that is that when I think of all the expert golfers (with the possible of exception of a few young kids who have grown up watching the guff on Sky and believing it) that I know, none of them are like the people on this forum (you, Socket Rocket etc) who focus on the mechanics of the swing.

Rather they have learned what to do through practice, graft and refinement and just go out and get on with it.

Maybe it is just the generation that I am from though?
 
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Snelly said:
What I find amazing is that Bobby Jones managed to be the greatest golfer ever without having watched this video.
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He spent many years - day and night - experimenting/tinkering and either absorbing or rejecting his tinkering until it was right - for him. The 'big difference' was actually down to a short thumb!
 
Snelly said:
I have forgotten more than you know mate. I am originally from Yorkshire so you can't tell me owt! :)

Joking aside, you say my strategy as if I am some sort of anomaly but actually, the reverse is the case in my experience. What I mean by that is that when I think of all the expert golfers (with the possible of exception of a few young kids who have grown up watching the guff on Sky and believing it) that I know, none of them are like the people on this forum (you, Socket Rocket etc) who focus on the mechanics of the swing.

Rather they have learned what to do through practice, graft and refinement and just go out and get on with it.

Maybe it is just the generation that I am from though?
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I'd been playing 17yrs before my first lesson, and was off 2......... just imagine how good I could have been if I'd had lessons, inc arm braces and broomhandles shoved up my er, shirt. ;)

P.S. I'm from Yorkshire, so don't go telling me owt...
 
Snelly said:
Joking aside, you say my strategy as if I am some sort of anomaly but actually, the reverse is the case in my experience. What I mean by that is that when I think of all the expert golfers (with the possible of exception of a few young kids who have grown up watching the guff on Sky and believing it) that I know, none of them are like the people on this forum (you, Socket Rocket etc) who focus on the mechanics of the swing.

Rather they have learned what to do through practice, graft and refinement and just go out and get on with it.

Maybe it is just the generation that I am from though?
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I got down to 1.4 without knowing about the swing, I put in 1000's of hours on the range and you'd never see me without a club in my hand...... but that knowledge is being passed on so that other people can do it correct from the start - without having to spend the 1000's of hours. People don't really want to be out there all day when they don't have to be (do they?) and besides, I've heard that spending more than an hour at the range can injure people :rofl:

If I knew back then what I know now then I would have been a pro, I had the physical capability (and the enthusiasm) back then.
 
JustOne said:
I got down to 1.4 without knowing about the swing, I put in 1000's of hours on the range and you'd never see me without a club in my hand...... but that knowledge is being passed on so that other people can do it correct from the start - without having to spend the 1000's of hours. People don't really want to be out there all day when they don't have to be (do they?) and besides, I've heard that spending more than an hour at the range can injure people :rofl:

If I knew back then what I know now then I would have been a pro, I had the physical capability (and the enthusiasm) back then.
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1000s of hours on the range to get to 1.4. No offence but that just says that you didn't have what it takes and more than likely maxed out your potential.

Those who can do, those who can't.........
 
Robobum said:
1000s of hours on the range to get to 1.4. No offence but that just says that you didn't have what it takes and more than likely maxed out your potential.

Those who can do, those who can't.........
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I shot under par inside of my first year without having a lesson or (frankly) having a clue as to what I was doing.

I had it........ then it fell thru a hole in my pocket!!!!

Like I said, if I'd have known what I know now instead of spending all those hours on the practice ground second guessing myself.....


I can't compare my own game to yours as clearly I'm crap compared to you. I expect you got to a 2 h/cap only playing twice and never being on a practice ground because you're THAT GOOD!! :rolleyes:
 
FairwayDodger said:
Although he's using it as a good way to find the "correct" position at the top of the backswing rather than advocate it as a way to make the backswing.
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this has slightly confused me, but I only looked at the original video JO asked us to vote on - but in that one there's no suggestion that anyone should swing that way, just that the visulisation of the swing leads people to make arm movements that lead to late issues.....

I could suggest that many professional teachers use terminology that causes just as much confusion - frequently around the same elements!
 
JustOne said:
I shot under par inside of my first year without having a lesson or (frankly) having a clue as to what I was doing.

I had it........ then it fell thru a hole in my pocket!!!!

Like I said, if I'd have known what I know now instead of spending all those hours on the practice ground second guessing myself.....


I can't compare my own game to yours as clearly I'm crap compared to you. I expect you got to a 2 h/cap only playing twice and never being on a practice ground because you're THAT GOOD!! :rolleyes:
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I thought I was replying to the post about you, so no idea why your referencing my golf?? As it happens, I've never been on a practice ground until around April this year, that was just to teach myself how to pitch. I got to 2 just by playing once or twice a week. Do I think I'm good? Nowhere near it, as my comments in the good player h'cap thread will show.

I'm sure you'd have been a brilliant pro.............
 
JustOne said:
I expect you got to a 2 h/cap only playing twice and never being on a practice ground because you're THAT GOOD!! :rolleyes:
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Robobum said:
I've never been on a practice ground until around April this year, that was just to teach myself how to pitch. I got to 2 just by playing once or twice a week.
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I surprise myself sometimes! :whoo:




Now.... back on topic............... (or don't bother posting)
 
duncan mackie said:
this has slightly confused me, but I only looked at the original video JO asked us to vote on - but in that one there's no suggestion that anyone should swing that way, just that the visulisation of the swing leads people to make arm movements that lead to late issues.....

I could suggest that many professional teachers use terminology that causes just as much confusion - frequently around the same elements!
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Sorry for any confusion.... I stopped watching the vid when I realised I'd seen it before so any comments were from dodgy memory!
 
Robobum said:
.............. Do I think I'm good? Nowhere near it, as my comments in the good player h'cap thread will show.

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Haha, you missed a bit in your quotes JO.

Which is probably where we differ - judging by the amount of times you use the word "I" in your posts........those 12 hr sessions must be a blast!!:D
 
To answer the original question, I don't know.

When it comes to the backswing and plane etc. I always go back to Hogan's 'pane of glass image'. To me that makes sense, I can relate to it and it works for me.

PS - I am a techie neanderthal, so if someone can post the above mentioned picture it would be appreciated.
 
lobthewedge said:
When it comes to the backswing and plane etc. I always go back to Hogan's 'pane of glass image'. To me that makes sense, I can relate to it and it works for me.
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That's actually VERY VERY VERY VERY interesting, Hogan's glass swing plane is often misinterpreted, so how about we actually make one out of wood?

So here's an ACTUAL swing plane like Hogan envisaged......(not an imaginary glass one)

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Now consider that if the wood is there.... HOW can you swing the club behind you? :whistle:



Is this actually registering with any one at all?

No one having an "Oh yeah, crikey, I didn't realise that" moment yet?
 
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