Cyclist and highway code

[patricks148]

thousands??? From what I can find out the number killed on UK roads in 2020 was 140 which, I agree, is 140 too many and was an increase of about 30-40 per year on recent years. Certainly not thousands!

Yes you are right, I miss quoted, it was over 4000 seriously injured. But the fact remains cyclists are killed and seriously injured on Britain's roads every year.

 

[greenone]

All to often you see cyclists/ebike riders doing just that.

In what way?

 

[clubchamp98]

That sounds a scary prospect.
So if a car is turning left and I am coming up to the junction I have the right of way to undertake him.
I don’t know many cyclists that would undertake a car/ bus./ lorry or any other vehicle indicating left.
What about drivers who don’t know the yellow lights on the corners of the car are to warn others they are turning.
See lots of them daily.
These changes are more likely to put cyclists in danger imo.

We all need to respect each other on the roads regardless of what your using to get from A to B.

 

[SocketRocket]

I'm amazed at the number of motorists that without any consideration of the danger pullout into the path of oncoming traffic to overtake cyclists.

 

[Swinglowandslow]

Nothing stopping the government changing the rules ?

Back to what it was! If it was a mechanically propelled vehicle it paid road tax.
Not that long ago that the government changed it to what it is now.?

 

[Bunkermagnet]

In what way?

Drive in and around London and then you will see the constant dicing with death cyclists and ebikes do every day...jumping lights, carving cars like they are on a slalom, using their phone as they ride, up and down pavements when it suits them, dark clothing and no lights even when it's dark, up the inside of vehicles that are indicating and turning left long before they arrived, speeding. Need I continue?

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Back to what it was! If it was a mechanically propelled vehicle it paid road tax.
Not that long ago that the government changed it to what it is now.?

But motorcycles pay road tax, so why shouldn't bikes that need no rider effort to go forward at speed also pay it?

 

[GreiginFife]

But motorcycles pay road tax, so why shouldn't bikes that need no rider effort to go forward at speed also pay it?

Electric cars don’t so why should electric bikes?

 

[Canary_Yellow]

Electric cars don’t so why should electric bikes?

My wife's Ford Fiesta doesn't pay road tax either, "low" emission, but not electric.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Electric cars don’t so why should electric bikes?

But electric cars will soon, so why shouldn't electric bikes?

 

[spongebob59]

I'd imagine all vehicles will end up paying it eventually otherwise they'll be a £6 billion hole in revenue to find

 

[Bunkermagnet]

I'd imagine all vehicles will end up paying it eventually otherwise they'll be a £6 billion hole in revenue to find

Is the commonsense and correct answer

 

[GreiginFife]

But electric cars will soon, so why shouldn't electric bikes?

Ah so you meant in the future bikes should pay, not right now.
Fair enough.

But how soon is soon and on what facts are you stating that?

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Ah so you meant in the future bikes should pay, not right now.
Fair enough.

But how soon is soon and on what facts are you stating that?

How soon?,,,how about from the next financial/registration year.?
As for facts, non other than the growing number of electric everything on the roads now. Since the congestion charge free pass is being removed form electric cars in 2025, common sense dictates that RFL will also (and should) follow suit.

 

[Swinglowandslow]

But motorcycles pay road tax, so why shouldn't bikes that need no rider effort to go forward at speed also pay it?

I agree what you say here, but you post it as if a riposte to my post, which you quote?
Bit puzzled by that.
I was referring back to years ago when , if a vehicle was a mechanically propelled vehicle, it paid road tax. That was in reply to a comment about government changing rules.
I was merely pointing out what the rule was some( long )time ago?

And, of course, e bikes are mechanically propelled vehicles, as is any car.

 

[patricks148]

I can't see how bringing in a tax for cyclists is going to make much difference, I'd imaging a good proportion already pay as are car owners to, then where do yo draw the line kids cycling to school paying. All you would do in discourage people from cycling when we should be encouraging more people to cycle. Then there is the matter of enforcement, plenty of motorists already not having insurance and road tax the police are under resorced to enforce.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

I agree what you say here, but you post it as if a riposte to my post, which you quote?
Bit puzzled by that.
I was referring back to years ago when , if a vehicle was a mechanically propelled vehicle, it paid road tax. That was in reply to a comment about government changing rules.
I was merely pointing out what the rule was some( long )time ago?

And, of course, e bikes are mechanically propelled vehicles, as is any car.

Sorry, wasn't meant as anything other than a comment on an ongoing topic

 

[Bunkermagnet]

I can't see how bringing in a tax for cyclists is going to make much difference, I'd imaging a good proportion already pay as are car owners to, then where do yo draw the line kids cycling to school paying. All you would do in discourage people from cycling when we should be encouraging more people to cycle. Then there is the matter of enforcement, plenty of motorists already not having insurance and road tax the police are under resorced to enforce.

Cyclists, no. But ebikes that you see flying around delivering your fast food or groceries now should pay a RFL. Motorbikes do, and these ebikes are being used by a business for a business use. The ebikes are also capable of easily exceeding the London speed limit without the rider having to put any effor in at all.

 

[greenone]

Cyclists, no. But ebikes that you see flying around delivering your fast food or groceries now should pay a RFL. Motorbikes do, and these ebikes are being used by a business for a business use. The ebikes are also capable of easily exceeding the London speed limit without the rider having to put any effor in at all.

They aren't if they are legal. Motor assistance in limited to 25kph.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

They aren't if they are legal. Motor assistance in limited to 25kph.

It's not exactly hard to "by pass" that though is it
With London's blanket 20mph limit, speed wise they are on equal if not better footing than a car, bus or lorry.