Caroline Flack

[hovis]

a little of topic but I'm always left bemused when a popular person dies and there's numerous amounts of stories, posts, tweets and news feeds with numerous people being interviewed for their opinion on the matter saying what a tragedy it is (and it is don't get me wrong. it is) then a school or hospital gets hit by an accidental drone strike or an earth quake flattens and entire village with multiple deaths and it gets 2 minutes on the news, people say "that's a shame" then we forget about it.
we are strange people at times

 

[chellie]

a little of topic but I'm always left bemused when a popular person dies and there's numerous amounts of stories, posts, tweets and news feeds with numerous people being interviewed for their opinion on the matter saying what a tragedy it is (and it is don't get me wrong. it is) then a school or hospital gets hit by an accidental drone strike or an earth quake flattens and entire village with multiple deaths and it gets 2 minutes on the news, people say "that's a shame" then we forget about it.
we are strange people at times

It's what the media force us to watch and hear though isn't it. Much like the crap that is produced that people watch.

 

[tigerwes]

What happened to this poor girl is tragic. Some of the comments on here are just plain stupid at best

I know a hell of a lot more on the subject of suicide then i would ever want to. What we have to remember is that a young woman has sunk so low that she has taken her own life.

Is it social media? is it the press? a quick answer to that is to remove yourself from social media. But we don't actually know of either of these were actually responsible for this. We don't know what was going on in her head.

The issue is what do we do to stop people ending their life in this way. The stats are horrendous, especially for men. But this was a woman who was aware of the help available, had the money to get help without the use of the useless NHS, i would imagine she had friends who she could go to. Yet with all of this she still went down this path.

What is the answer? More awareness?like ive said this woman was aware of the help on hand, she has posted about it.

Personally i believe the media and the "experts" seem to group everyone in the same bracket. Not everyone who commits suicide is depressed, some of them could be classed as selfish, some just want to die and you can't stop them.

I don't know the answer, but we mist do something.

The 1st thing we can do is talk, if you feel a bit down talk to someone, if you havent heard from a mate a while give them a call. And just be nice to people.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Perhaps we can all take a moment to reflect about ourselves and any individual who used to be in our life and close, but today - for whatever reason - is not. And perhaps, whether or not we consider the separation down to us or them, we take the opportunity to reach out. We may not get a reply or any response - but we do not know what our reaching out might mean to that person.

BTW - this is the sort of thing I was thinking about when I posted some time ago asking what we might do on the 'extra' day we get this month of a Leap Year - the thing that we may have not thought about for some time, or that we have put off doing for whatever reason. And I think it is possibly one of the very best thing we could choose do in the current mood of national reflection and introspection.

 

[User20204]

You do realise it's not an extra day day, just another day don't you ?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

You do realise it's not an extra day day, just another day don't you ?

Yes I do know...but compared with three out of four Februarys it is an extra February day. Deconstruct my logic if you really must - but all I say is - and as the ladies can do once every four years - take the opportunity to do that thing. That's all I am suggesting.

 

[Wolf]

Yes I do know...but compared with three out of four Februarys it is an extra February day. Deconstruct my logic if you really must - but all I say is - and as the ladies can do once every four years - take the opportunity to do that thing. That's all I am suggesting.

Why do we need another national day of anything. Better to get people to reach out each day to help others than wait for a single day once every year or 4 years.

 

[stefanovic]

The 1st thing we can do is talk, if you feel a bit down talk to someone, if you havent heard from a mate a while give them a call. And just be nice to people.

It's good to talk. Don't bottle it up. But you need to talk to the right people like the Samaritans. They listen more than anything. They know that just talking can get the 'demons' out of your head.
Newspaper headline today refers to the Cruel Prosection Service.
But the CPS are not there to look after your mental health. There are there to take you to court.
It's still up to you to stay on the straight and narrow and not get ahead of yourself.
Let's hope something good comes out of this tragedy.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Why do we need another national day of anything. Better to get people to reach out each day to help others than wait for a single day once every year or 4 years.

I'm not saying wait. Any day - even today - can be that extra day this month - and yes - why wait for any particular day...this month or any month...

I'm not sure why what I have suggested is being picked at...after all - all that I am suggesting is that we actually stop charging through our busy lives - often in a state of self-absorption - spend a moment or two in reflection - and do something for someone else that we wouldn't normally do. As ladies can do - as the tradition goes - on 29th February.

So pick up the phone or send a text today to that person who you have let slip out of your life - or that you have fallen out with...

 

[Wolf]

I'm not saying wait. Any day can be that extra day this month - and yes - why wait for any particular day...this month or any month...

I'm not sure why what I have suggested is being picked at...after all - all that I am suggesting is that we actually stop charging through our busy lives - spend a moment or two in reflection - and do something for someone else that we wouldn't normally do. As ladies can do - as the tradition goes - on 29th February.

Its only been picked up as you've put a date on i and likened it to what ladies can do on 29th February. Its not akin to that at all, what we need to focus on isn't just men or women doing some different, we need to highlight the need for us all to interact with each other more positively. We need as a public be less consuming and intolerant of peoples imperfections and actually embrace them so people don't feel the need to be perfect.

We need to stop blaming the press for a moment and look at the areas we can affect like social media using them in way we do creates so much pressure for men and women to get likes, we need start educating our children about how that is not popularity or acceptance its merely voyeurism. We don't need a national day or a date for it, we need it now and every single day not just one day.

This is not a dig at you SILH as i believe the intention in your post is a very good one and something i agree with, but what we need is it to happen now to help people suffering we need to be the ones who reach out to them instead of asking why they don't reach out to us.

 

[tigerwes]

I don't see how the CPS are in any way to blame for this. They have a job to do, and must have had enough evidence to proceed. I understand her partner didn't want to press charges, but i would imagine this happens a lot with Domestic Violence so the CPS have a duty of care to the victim I would think.

The prison system is full of people with mental health issues. Just look at the stats for self harming and suicide while in prison. Should these people not be prosecuted due to thier mental health?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Its only been picked up as you've put a date on i and likened it to what ladies can do on 29th February. Its not akin to that at all, what we need to focus on isn't just men or women doing some different, we need to highlight the need for us all to interact with each other more positively. We need as a public be less consuming and intolerant of peoples imperfections and actually embrace them so people don't feel the need to be perfect.

We need to stop blaming the press for a moment and look at the areas we can affect like social media using them in way we do creates so much pressure for men and women to get likes, we need start educating our children about how that is not popularity or acceptance its merely voyeurism. We don't need a national day or a date for it, we need it now and every single day not just one day.

This is not a dig at you SILH as i believe the intention in your post is a very good one and something i agree with, but what we need is it to happen now to help people suffering we need to be the ones who reach out to them instead of asking why they don't reach out to us.

Indeed we do. In fact my original post was more aimed at what we might choose to do on the 29th February as we don't get 29th February every year...and so an opportunity to do something new or different. It so happens that my thoughts triggered by Caroline Flacks death - around contacting someone - were just the sort of thing a little different that we might do on that day.

But of course - we should every day perhaps all be a little less absorbed with our own lives, and think a little bit more, and more often, about that of others; we should perhaps be a little bit more concerned about the well-being of others - and what we - as individuals, can actually do to make another's day perhaps a little better - if we can. But then - I guess some would say that I would say that

And so I just pinged my sister as I haven't tried to contact her for over a month - and I haven't heard from her for more than two. She might get back to me - she might not. But that's not the point.

 

[patricks148]

I don't see how the CPS are in any way to blame for this. They have a job to do, and must have had enough evidence to proceed. I understand her partner didn't want to press charges, but i would imagine this happens a lot with Domestic Violence so the CPS have a duty of care to the victim I would think.

The prison system is full of people with mental health issues. Just look at the stats for self harming and suicide while in prison. Should these people not be prosecuted due to thier mental health?

i would agree with everything you say

 

[Hacker Khan]

I don't see how the CPS are in any way to blame for this. They have a job to do, and must have had enough evidence to proceed. I understand her partner didn't want to press charges, but i would imagine this happens a lot with Domestic Violence so the CPS have a duty of care to the victim I would think.

The prison system is full of people with mental health issues. Just look at the stats for self harming and suicide while in prison. Should these people not be prosecuted due to thier mental health?

They are not. It is a narrative being pushed by certain newspapers. No idea why, can't possibly have anything to do with the fact that they used her arrest and subsequent behaviour in stories over and over again to increase the amount of clicks they get. So may be looking to deflect some of the blame elsewhere.

 

[IanM]

It's what the media force us to watch and hear though isn't it. Much like the crap that is produced that people watch.

Understand the sentiment, but in reality, no one is forced to watch anything. - if it has "celebrity" in the title, Ant & Dec anywhere near it, BBC Luvvie Parlour Games, Graham Norton, Ozzy's Missus or kids etc etc in it, it just doesn't go on.

Every TV has an off button and I stopped buying newspapers 20 years ago.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Understand the sentiment, but in reality, no one is forced to watch anything. - if it has "celebrity" in the title, Ant & Dec anywhere near it, BBC Luvvie Parlour Games, Graham Norton, Ozzy's Missus or kids etc etc in it, it just doesn't go on.

Every TV has an off button and I stopped buying newspapers 20 years ago.

Trouble is on that basis you'll be missing out on Would I Lie to You and Celebrity Bake Off. Which is a great shame as they are ace.

 

[IanM]

Trouble is on that basis you'll be missing out on Would I Lie to You and Celebrity Bake Off. Which is a great shame as they are ace.

I just laughed out loud in a completely silent office....

 

[Dando]

Taking this off on a slight tangent but I’ve just watched the channel 4 documentaries on “our mental health emergency” and it’s heart breaking watching the youngsters talking about suicide and there’s not enough help for them

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Maybe, just maybe this is the wake up call to increase the emphasis on mental health welfare and put it on a par with physical health
( often the two go hand in hand)
Hoping

 

[User20204]

Maybe, just maybe this is the wake up call to increase the emphasis on mental health welfare and put it on a par with physical health
( often the two go hand in hand)
Hoping

I very much doubt it tbh. As someone who struggles at times with my mental health I can speak personally and say, it is the single most difficult thing to reach out.

For about 4 weeks over the Christmas/New Year period I was not in a good place at all, I suffered in silence til the light shone again.